If they're so sure it's their land why are they sending Paul a notice saying they're going to pull up the sprinkler system?

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The woman is not right. One of the items she mentioned on her restraining order complaint was that Paul had been harassing her ever since her husband died. This was news to him and he doesn't know when the guy died.

He does know (and one of his clients witnessed it) that she came over to visit, uninvited, about 6 months ago, he invited her in, and she got into a lengthy discussion about his chandelier, not sure the details on that.

He took the client with him to court, hoping to have a chance to assert perjury, as if the woman claimed he was harassing her, why did she go to his house and have a cordial meeting with nothing but small talk?

He didn't get the chance to raise the issue.

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I gotta say, I appreciate all you guys reading the lengthy OP, specially coming from a hot-headed opinionated guy like me. (Moi?)

I sent JD a PM and he also thinks real time lawyer is needed.

Damn. Like I said, I have this idea that this is a slam dunk (echos of Geo. Tenet) and I'd love to see him beat it on a low budget. Oh well . . .

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Good point. Could be the attorney knows their case is weak and she advised them that if they start modifications willy-nilly, they'll be out those costs plus the costs of restoration.

I keep thinking that there is a strong element of fait accompli, grandfather clause, done deal in this. I was wrong on the 'since the 50s' part -- since mid 60s is about right, so it's been 40+ years in the current mode, which is the style that makes the most sense for neighborhood ambiance.

It's a quiet location -- culdesac, but I can see how culdesacs could be ripe for conflict, just by looking at the lot layouts.

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OK ya'all, get ready to call me the damnedest fool that ever sucked air -- Paul called a couple of attorneys today and was told the cost of making them back off once and for all would likely be in the $30 to $40 K range, $15 to $20 K at the very least.

The upper figure would obliterate the college fund he has going for his 15 year old son. We're thinking to research the hell out of it and try it ourselves -- one thought is to call the U Cal law school and see what is legal as far as law students acting as para-legal advisers.

Like I told Paul, this isn't life or death, if you lose, you're not going to lose the house, so why not gamble on ***** slapping these fools for pennies while they spend major $$ on boooo-**** of their own making.

New info, the deceased husband was Danish, and used to be a mercenary soldier somewhere. The people that preceded Paul told him a story recently -- one day their daughter, aged 10, was bouncing a ball in the shared driveway in the google photo and the Danish guy came out and said, meanly, "Get off my property!" Whew . . . . .

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Sounds like a Title Insurance issue to me...at least in Michigan.

Possibly consider alternative dispute resolution.

X2 this crap can get REALLY heated and complicated, their is no way to properly sort it out on your own.

You need a lawyer who is familer with this and can settle it.

I know in Milford we have 1-3 maps per subdivison. IE it was first split in say 1910(usualy 25x100 foot lots), than in 1960, than in 2003. So it gets confusing. I'm learning, and my family makes amazing money finding stuff that has fallen through the cracks.

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Paul is convinced that the lady is out to screw him over just to alleviate boredom. I think he might be right. After several dozen refrains of "My property, you try steal my property" whenever he ventured into the area, and then the bushes getting pulled out, he called her a moron and a pig at some point in a heated discussion.

I mean he shouldn't have, but the notion that he tried or is trying to steal anything is absurd. He, like them, had no idea that the bit of grass in front of his house was available for her to pave over.

I want to write a letter to her son, pointing out that they abandoned the bit of ground for 26 years or so before they did the survey, and that they would probably lose a lengthy legal battle along with a bundle of $$.

Who knows, maybe he can find some sanity.

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It would definitely be the best route but he's wondering if he wants to blow his kid's college fund on it. He used to be a UC Santa Barbara professor and teaches now and then at UCal, Berkeley extension, so we're thinking it might give him some pull at getting a law student to do a sort of internship in paralegal advising.

Got to do major research in a hurry.

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I hate to say it, but when looking at the photos, I remembered that in cul-de-sacs (my station is in a cul-de-sac), you still have to abide by set-backs and such...

Paul's place looks like that he's far enough off the street, but there lies the problem...he's so far back on his lot, the "corner" lot (Nutballs') doesn't have, really, any real-estate, or square-footage, after their house is placed on it...this one might just start and end on the "minimum square-footage" requirement for development in that particular section...they "gave" the corner lot the footage in front of Paul's place to make up the needed footage that didn't exist in the Nutballs' back yard...-

Paul's square-footage is fine...Nutballs' would be drastically, if not improperly, reduced if he were to get title to it, thereby damaging her property's value altogether...

Paul may have bought a Pig-In-A-Poke with his property...his only option, if he wants "nutty-babe and child" out of his hair is to buy them out and raze the home...otherwise, for him...sell and run like hell...

Sticky!

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Buying her out would be a good option if he can afford it. Just have a third party who she wouldn't know knock on her door and see if she wants to sell. Their are ways for Paul to buy it without her knowing its him who is buying it.

Moving is also an option, but she could and probably will screw him with that. IE file a lis pendis and cloud the title.

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I wonder if recent earthquakes have shifted the survey markers?

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Oh, I didn't read all that crap, Carl. I just hopped right in with my erroneous opinions. No sirree, I don't need any facts in order to formulate my opinons, but you are certainly welcome!

I don't know why they can't just settle this with guns. It worked fine for the Hatfields and the McCoys . . . .

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If the survey is correct and it is "her" property, then so be it. Essentially, if he is claiming the property as his and on paper it's not, bottom line is he's trying to steal her property. She may be a nutcase, but that is no reason to annex her property, she owns it.

Nut Job’s now deceased husband had stakes with orange plastic ribbon tied on staked all over the portion of the yard that Paul had assumed for years was in his province, and left them there for months, with no other action.

Paul finally pulled them out one day – the man came over demanding they be put back in, Paul refused, adding “Are you mad?!”


Your friend was wrong to do this and I wouldn't blame the nutjob for being enraged. He looks like the bad guy to me.

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