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The nearest I could fathom was either they were raised in typical moribund WASP fashion where showing emotion or asking for help was taboo and/or expressing feelings of inadequacy was somehow demeaning and made you less of a man. Too bad,really.One Sport was quite good at what he did but fell victim to a securities swindle,and when he needed margin "cover money"all he had to do was ask his friends,we would have ponied up. But no....too damn stupid and proud to admit failure,so he left a lovely wife,2 great kids and a mountain of debt which all his "friends"worked out eventually,even had $200K left from the sale of his house and boat which was put in trust for his wife as she was,well........somewhat featherbrained. Once some people reach certain heights they cannot bear the lower depths. |
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My brush came with a real good friend after graduating from H.S. He came from a very well-off and respected family (generations old family owned insurance company, father was Chief of our volunteer FD, very involved in the community, summer vacations spent on grandfather's 75' Burger cruising the East coast) and our family had been friends or acquaintances going back several generations. I never had an inkling of a cue that anything was wrong with him. Due to the way they found him the speculation was that he just couldn't deal with not living up to his father's expectations, no note was left.
He drove his car down to "the meadows" which is a native vegetation area, wetlands (we used to call them swamps) and farm land along the river with trails and dirt roads through out it. Apparently he started a fire on the fabric back seat of his car then shot himself in the head before the fire spread. Being a car fire, the FD was called and his father being chief with his business office less than a mile away was the first on the scene.
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Thats what I can figure as well, his family is an old WASP family so I suspect the thought of changing his lifestyle or asking for help was just to much. Shame though he had a lot of friends that would have helped him put stuff right.
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Thats a possibility, they probably wouldn't want to spread word of that around if it was. I had a cousin by marriage die from that about 10 years ago.
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Oh man, I wish people could consider what a painful vacuum such an act will leave in the lives of those left behind. Might help them to see how valuable they actually are.
But a person in that state is not too rational anyway.
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Any sudden death is a trial for the survivors, suicide can destroy families and makes the healing process miserable for everyone. I would hope that the neighbor lady gets involved with a group where she can work through what we call "the grief journey".
We bury quite a few suicides, of all ages. The faces of the survivors tells it all: raw, terrible grief, rage, wanting to know why...lots of these people don't leave notes or other indicators of what was wrong so the survivors blame themselves. www.baue.com is the website for the funeral home/cemetery where I work and we have a large aftercare network, with special groups for young widows, survivors of suicide and other violent deaths. Many other funeral home operators have at least something for survivors, to help them go on and continue with life as best they can.
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It is very sad. I knew someone about 10 years ago who took his own life. He was always friendly, but quiet and introverted. You would never know he had a problem - just one day he was gone.
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Life is difficult enough to bear when one is married and well established,that comes with it's own private hell. But when one is young,inexperienced and considers their own feelings and infantile judgements quite unique,that's simply a cop-out that hurts the immediate family,which may be the original motivation,"hey,now you'll notice me,dammit"! |
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You think they might have other things on their mind like their own problems where they see no good way out?
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That is for the Attention Whores to do. AWs threaten suicide to get attention. Those that want out, just want out of a bad situation. No, it is their life so they don't have to get your approval.
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It was definitely suicide. He left a note. It seems very relevant that he chose to kill himself just a few days before Mother's Day. There must have been a lot going on there that was not immediately apparent to those of us who lived nearby.
It's very sad, though. The memorial service is tonight.
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How little you know of human nature. Why are you so defensive? |
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I thought they were close, but I didn't/don't know either of them very well. I heard several interactions between her and the guy she used to be married to. She could be very sweet to people like my daughter, but she really dished out some harsh abuse to her ex. Maybe there was a lot of that. Who knows?
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So explain from your knowledgeable point of view then. I don't think it is defensive to say that they have to consider what makes them happy before considering everybody else including the family dog.
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