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Old 05-11-2008, 08:44 PM
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You know what the difference is between Evolution and Creationism? Evolution is based off of what we see and we draw conclusions of how we came into being based on empirical evidence. Creationism is based off of a fictional book written about 2 millennia ago. You might say, "but that book was given to us from God." Really, I hate to break it to you, but it was written by man. It might have been "divinely" written but it was still written by man. I guess to put it into the Christian teachings, "Man will let you down." In your view, man has sinned and therefore you cannot trust man. However Christians seem to do... just... that...

You seem to say that Evolution cannot be true and has already been shattered, but can you really prove Creationism? Try as you might... but Noah's flood did not kill the dinosaurs.

Here is the sum of Creationism (Intelligent Design): We don't know why things are the way they are so we'll just say "God did it" and leave it at that.

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Old 05-11-2008, 08:55 PM
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Stein's movie is a polemic; it was not represented to the "fair and balanced".
That's true. I wasn't referring to his movie, I was referring to the argument I've heard from Intelligent Design advocates that fairness and balance require that ID be present along with evolution.
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Old 05-11-2008, 08:55 PM
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well i am not going to explain why i think the way i do because that would take to long so i will point you in the direction it is your decision if you choose to look more into to it or not.

http://www.ontcoc.com/

on the right hand side of this website(my churches website) you will see a download tab. down load some of these lessons and choose for yourself whether what you hear you believe.
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Old 05-11-2008, 09:07 PM
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...Scientist have proved that Darwinism can not be true, they just cant get over the fact...
That is an arrogant point of view.
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Old 05-11-2008, 09:13 PM
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on the right hand side of this website(my churches website) you will see a download tab. down load some of these lessons and choose for yourself whether what you hear you believe.
Faith is delusional, the desire for life after death, the need to keep the masses under control (Using the threat of eternal damnation) and greed.

Its a crutch to avoid the painful reality of the world. The only way to heal is to kick that rotten crutch out from under your arm and learn to walk on your own.
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Old 05-11-2008, 09:17 PM
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the lessons are not a type of lesson where faith must be used. It has quotes from major scientist that prove them selves that Darwinism is false. just take a look at them and see yourself, you have nothing to loose.
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Old 05-11-2008, 09:25 PM
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Old 05-11-2008, 09:25 PM
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It has quotes from major scientist that prove them selves that Darwinism is false.
That is whats known as "cherry picking quotes" and making assumptions about their meaning. What a waste of 23MB of bandwidth.

Thats what science is all about! If you have an idea that claims another idea to be false then prove your idea so that science can be advanced.

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Old 05-11-2008, 09:29 PM
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The only way to heal is to kick that rotten crutch out from under your arm and learn to walk on your own.
ha, that made for a hilarious mental image, thanks..
except im my head the person fell flat on his face after you did the rotten crutch kicking..
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the lessons are not a type of lesson where faith must be used. It has quotes from major scientist that prove them selves that Darwinism is false. just take a look at them and see yourself, you have nothing to loose.
Darwin was the originator of the theory. Like Einstein, Newton, Copernicus, Ptolemy, every other brilliant scientist, he didn't get every little thing perfectly correct the very first time. That's why we keep studying, learning, testing, etc.. Natural selection has been proven. No reasonable person can view otherwise. It doesn't make the bible wrong either.
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Old 05-11-2008, 10:56 PM
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well i am not going to explain why i think the way i do because that would take to long so i will point you in the direction it is your decision if you choose to look more into to it or not.

http://www.ontcoc.com/

on the right hand side of this website(my churches website) you will see a download tab. down load some of these lessons and choose for yourself whether what you hear you believe.
I clicked on a tab and was told that Belief and Disbelief was not found.

They both must all be over here at the 'shop.
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Old 05-11-2008, 11:14 PM
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You know what the difference is between Evolution and Creationism? Evolution is based off of what we see and we draw conclusions of how we came into being based on empirical evidence. Creationism is based off of a fictional book written about 2 millennia ago. You might say, "but that book was given to us from God." Really, I hate to break it to you, but it was written by man. It might have been "divinely" written but it was still written by man. I guess to put it into the Christian teachings, "Man will let you down." In your view, man has sinned and therefore you cannot trust man. However Christians seem to do... just... that...

Here is the sum of Creationism (Intelligent Design): We don't know why things are the way they are so we'll just say "God did it" and leave it at that.
Actually, only the new testament was written 2000 years ago. Supposedly the first chapter Genesis was written way before that. Now, for the sake of argument, lets say at the time of Adam and Eve, they had accurate means of record keeping. Did they speak English? I think not. Not even a more ancient form of English. This means there were translations. So, assuming the writing was divinely inspired, was the translation divinely inspired as well? Could there be some inaccuracies in the translation?

Exactly. Because we don't know and don't want to seem like we don't know, we have to assign a value to this equation.

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