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TylerH860 05-18-2008 10:56 PM

Social conditioning.

Public housing=handouts.

If they expect things to be given to them, and choose not to work or educate themselves, most of the time they're not taught how to contribute and function in society. A $10.00 an hour job is easy to find, and low income individuals can get their tuition and LIVING EXPENSES covered to go back to school.

This is very obvious in the poor black community, as well as the white trash in my neck of the woods.

It makes Aristotle's idea of taking all children away at birth and raising them in boarding schools seem like not a bad idea. No one from Sparta expected or needed handouts.:D

Hatterasguy 05-18-2008 11:14 PM

I hate public housing. I would move you don't want to be within range of an assult rifle from that bleeding heart do gooder's mess. I have seen enough of it to know its no good.

Who cares where they walk, the fact that they are in your neighborhood is scary!:eek:

Up here in NE we are not friendly, we glare at strange people who walk up our streets.:D

Hatterasguy 05-18-2008 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kerry (Post 1858921)
Could it be interpreted as acting as if you own a car when you don't?

I think its kind of an "I'm here, and your not better than me", thing. I have been stuck as the light turns green behind enough worthless sloth's to get that impression.

It certainly not a race thing, they are all equal oppertunity offenders.

kerry 05-18-2008 11:20 PM

I've lived here for almost 20 yrs. The building has been there the whole time. The recent renovation includes geothermal heating. I've known a number of people who have lived there who were decent human beings. They were not in the street walker group. A fair number of the residents were low income seniors.

Hatterasguy 05-18-2008 11:21 PM

Well maybe its different where you are but man the public housing in New Haven is like a 3rd world country.

t walgamuth 05-18-2008 11:41 PM

I think depending on location, public housing can encompass a lot of different types of people.

The walking in the street thing is puzzling to me.

Its irritating too, but I try hard not to show it since that seems to be the reason for doing it.

Tom W

djugurba 05-19-2008 01:28 AM

The middle of the street is, unfortunately, the safest place to walk in some public housing projects. Street corners are often controlled by one or another gang- and sometimes vegetation near sidewalks or gaps between buildings provide hiding places for homeless, junkies, and others who may wish to do harm - intentional or opportunistic - to those strolling past. The added distance provided by the open area of road at least permits the walking individual a chance to react to a possible attack, and greatly decreases the opportunistic attacks.

Many housing projects also feature street-wide sidewalk areas between buildings in which are free from automotive traffic (except, naturally, the police.)

Walking in the middle of a street in a neighborhood also serves to calm traffic, which again can benefit the neighborhood. Knowing that people frequent the middle of the streets, criminals do tend to hit the main drags (where people do not walk), even when evading police.

It becomes habit, mostly for the first reason, and habits are hard to change, say, if a family moves out of a neighborhood in which this is common practice.

The compassion expressed in this thread is truly heart-warming.

wbain5280 05-19-2008 01:46 AM

Don't forget the aptly named Section 8 housing.

Botnst 05-19-2008 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kerry (Post 1858716)
Had a neighborhood meeting this morning. Conversation turned to a high rise public housing building being renovated in our neighborhood. It's about 4 blocks west of us. All the people on our block had noticed that when the building was occupied, residents walking down our street invariably walked down the middle of the street and virtually never on the sidewalks. (our street dead ends a few blocks away so there isn't much traffic). None of the neighbors at the meeting had ever walked down the middle of the street themselves instead of the sidewalk. I don't believe the public housing project is screening for residents who only walk down the middle of streets. We also noticed that conversation between the people walking down the middle of the street was always at a considerably higher decibel level than other people who walk down the sidewalks.
What's going on?

Not a phenomenon that I have seen.

Why not ask the walkers?

B

G-Benz 05-19-2008 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djugurba (Post 1859089)
The middle of the street is, unfortunately, the safest place to walk in some public housing projects. Street corners are often controlled by one or another gang- and sometimes vegetation near sidewalks or gaps between buildings provide hiding places for homeless, junkies, and others who may wish to do harm - intentional or opportunistic - to those strolling past. The added distance provided by the open area of road at least permits the walking individual a chance to react to a possible attack, and greatly decreases the opportunistic attacks.

Many housing projects also feature street-wide sidewalk areas between buildings in which are free from automotive traffic (except, naturally, the police.)

Walking in the middle of a street in a neighborhood also serves to calm traffic, which again can benefit the neighborhood. Knowing that people frequent the middle of the streets, criminals do tend to hit the main drags (where people do not walk), even when evading police.

It becomes habit, mostly for the first reason, and habits are hard to change, say, if a family moves out of a neighborhood in which this is common practice.

The compassion expressed in this thread is truly heart-warming.

I think that explanation is the most accurate so far!

Medmech 05-19-2008 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 1859180)
Not a phenomenon that I have seen.

Why not ask the walkers?

B

See #6 .... not a smart thing to do. ;) I know a smart ass that made a comment to a person crossing the street verrrry slowly and the perp crossing the street that they could also move very fast when provoked.

kerry 05-19-2008 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djugurba (Post 1859089)
The middle of the street is, unfortunately, the safest place to walk in some public housing projects. Street corners are often controlled by one or another gang- and sometimes vegetation near sidewalks or gaps between buildings provide hiding places for homeless, junkies, and others who may wish to do harm - intentional or opportunistic - to those strolling past. The added distance provided by the open area of road at least permits the walking individual a chance to react to a possible attack, and greatly decreases the opportunistic attacks.

Many housing projects also feature street-wide sidewalk areas between buildings in which are free from automotive traffic (except, naturally, the police.)

Walking in the middle of a street in a neighborhood also serves to calm traffic, which again can benefit the neighborhood. Knowing that people frequent the middle of the streets, criminals do tend to hit the main drags (where people do not walk), even when evading police.

It becomes habit, mostly for the first reason, and habits are hard to change, say, if a family moves out of a neighborhood in which this is common practice.

The compassion expressed in this thread is truly heart-warming.

This seems possible if the people are not Denver natives. We don't have housing projects here that have these kinds of conditions. Most of our public housing developments are urban town homes and not multiple high rises like Chicago or eastern cities.
Hadn't considered asking the folks. I might try that once the place gets occupied again, although my inclination is to lobby for tenants who don't walk down the middle of the street, mostly because their loud talking wakes me up at night.
I'm curious as to what selection criteria are used to determine who lives in the building.

Mr.Kenny 05-19-2008 10:03 AM

In our upscale quiet older neighborhood some of the sidewalks are crumbling, cracked or are uplifted by tree roots. Lots of people go out for walks in the evening and it is easy to trip on the sidewalk especially if you are speed walking. Thus the smooth street is is a much better choice. Lots of greenies, wealthy & fitness types. We all use the streets & sidewalks both for running , walking & cycling....Not much traffic.
Our neighborhood is known as the 1950's "leave it to Beaver, Father knows Best" 'Front porch sitting', 'Andy of Mayberry', 'Forth of July' with 'artsy hipsters' funky place to live;... we like it that way.
New is frowned upon; old is good.

aklim 05-19-2008 11:10 AM

On my diesel truck, I have a chip in it. I can change settings on the fly. So, lets say I have it on the Econo mode, I can switch it to say the 140HP Aggressive tune. It throws lots of black smoke out which I sometimes use to blow at the clowns when I pass them. I am looking into getting cutouts so I can direct the smoke the way I want to.


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