What an outrage! No one can say children are NOT being molested at that compound! CPS found FIVE pregnant minor girls there and many minor mothers of children.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080530/ap_on_re_us/polygamist_retreat

"Accused"

yep. I hate how people like that make me hate the "Freedom of Religion". I strongly believe in freedom of religion, but their has to be a way to get to the people who use religion as a cover for horrible acts. the whole thing makes me sick!

Its not just the minor mothers, or the polygamy. Its the whole society they have built for them selfs. I read (in the countless yahoo news stories i've read on this over the months) that since every man is to have many wives, and that the birthrate is that of normal human society, roughly 50/50, that they banish some of the young boys. they take the boys at around age 12 and just leave them in a near by town. that is horrible. all so that the boys who stay can have more then one wife. and their is nothing to be done about it, because they hide behind the cover of Freedom of Religion.

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I have little sympathy with patriarchal prophets taking advantage of young girls but I have even less confidence that putting children in foster care is a solution to the problem. In many ways it confirms the ideas taught to those children that the outside world is out to get them because of their religious devotion.

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1977 300d 70k--sold 08
1985 300TD 185k+
1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03
1985 409d 65k--sold 06
1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car
1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

Bah. Shoot first, due process later.

Two points:

1) Are we sure that these horrific media stories about dumping excess boys and minor girls being impregnated are *fact,* and not rumor? It would be to Child Protective Services' benefit to spread such stories, making them look like heroes. I seem to recall hearing that most of the kids and young mothers snatched away weren't grateful to escape; they wanted to go back!

2) What business did the government, in the form of CPS, have to swoop down and seize these kids anyway? I understand the original complaint call was made by a woman who (a) didn't even live there, and (b) has been shown to have been making it all up. Yet CPS charged in, apparently without checking their source, and yanked these kids away. They have no problem with seeing children returned to the care of a crackhead whore ("It serves the child's interest to stay with the mother," mumbles a judge), yet they thunder in and disrupt a private (I'll repeat that: private) ranch's living arrangement -- just because these folks practice a different religion?

I suspect the news will come out eventually that the Yearning for Zion Ranch was sitting on valuable development or oil land, and somebody wanted them off. . . .
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God Bless Texas!

Foster care is horrible. but what else is there. they are breading a society that if left to grow gives the rest of us, the out side world, an ever increasing problem. there will just be more and more of them to impregnate young girls and banish young boys. its gotta stop sometime.

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A wacked out nutjob from Colorado Springs apparently made the call. Not the first time she'd done something like this.

I think prejudice against deviant religions may have played a role in the raid, but more importantly is the history of the group marrying off underage girls to older men. Nobody's raiding J Z Knight's Ramtha School of Enlightenment and her views are as nutty as Jeff's but she's not banging young boys to my knowledge, just raking in the $$$$.

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1977 300d 70k--sold 08
1985 300TD 185k+
1984 307d 126k--sold 8/03
1985 409d 65k--sold 06
1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car
1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

So... everybody has the wrong idea about these good people huh?

Don't think so!

All those men are child molestors... and you know it.

As soon as a wife gets too old he gets a NEW teenage one!

Are you by chance Mormon? Live on the compound? Hmm...????

You and a box of rocks have much in common.

Shaming language and an ad hominem attack is hardly the way to bolster your case, Idolotor.

We don't *know* any such thing about child molesting there. If there were 5 molestation cases out of the 400 (which is what I've read), fine, haul *those* guys off to jail and rehome the kids -- don't haul all 400 off!

Suppose the SPCA had an enforcement section, and they swept down on you, acting on an anonymous tip that you were mistreating your dogs/cats? And instead of arresting just you and finding new homes for your abused animals, they decided to round up *all* the dogs or cats in your subdivision, whether abuse could be proven in all cases or not -- simply because they say "There is the potential for abuse"?

Would such a wholesale roundup make any sense? Well, neither does this high-handed abuse of governmental power.
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-- Paul W. (The Benzadmiral)
('03 Buick Park Avenue, charcoal/cream)
Formerly:
'97 C230, smoke silver/parchment; '86 420SEL, anthracite/light grey; '84 280CE (W123), dark blue/palomino

It's amazing that there are people out there that will defend child molestation in the name of religion.

Why do you think people call them "religious nuts"?

This has nothing to do with Mormons. I am not Mormon, and I can say that i would not join their church. but you have to admit the "run of the mill" Mormons have more of a positive impact on their communities then the average person. and i would have to say, that while i do not agree with their theology, i respect them for being good hard working people. the best neighbor I ever had was a Mormon. He never pushed his religion on me and he was a great person.

Mormon history may be questionable. but when it comes to what kind of people they are today, they are some of the better people we have in our society.

That said. these people are not Mormons. I can't thing of a greater insult to a modern Mormon then to compare them to these people.

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Nobody is defending child molestation, sir. We're defending the right to live in peace and in safety from governmental power until and unless there's reason to believe a crime has been committed.

In this case, the "reason" was an anonymous tip from somebody two states away. Do you want your freedom to hang by such a thread, that a disgruntled neighbor of yours can make a hoax call and have CPS/the IRS/the DEA sweep down on you to take everything you have?

As far as abuse goes, most of the children I saw on the news clips looked better fed, better clothed, and better mannered than all of the thugs and gangstas hanging out at my local mall.

Besides, do we know for sure that the underage pregnancies are due to the older men? What if some of the minor boys were spreading their seed around?
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-- Paul W. (The Benzadmiral)
('03 Buick Park Avenue, charcoal/cream)
Formerly:
'97 C230, smoke silver/parchment; '86 420SEL, anthracite/light grey; '84 280CE (W123), dark blue/palomino

Reading the thread title, I thought it had to do with Alter Boy Summer Camp starting up.