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Old 07-17-2008, 11:50 PM
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Its already been said:
Ratings...circulation...MONEY.

I do agree that most of the people on NPR are left-leaning (Example: Diane Rehm), but, once you know this, its not a big deal. I still listen becuase NPR has the highest signal to noise ratio of any media house. (least commercials)

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Yep, looks pretty balanced to me.

Here are the top 5 Associated Press headlines this morning on Yahoo's politics section:

Poll:Obama backers are more excited than McCains's
Obama's trip: 1st high-profile step on world stage
Obama to meet with German leader Merkel
Obama raises $52M in June, setting torrid new pace
McCain gets Social Security but criticizes system
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Then why did they report every anti-Clinton rumor as if it were fact? And why did they run with every bit of anti-Gore baloney the GOP put out (remember all that crap about his supposedly claiming to have invented the internet)? And why did they report Bush's pre-war propaganda without questioning its validity? And why was the late Tim Russert Dick Cheney's outlet of choice?

The answer to all of those questions has nothing to do with right versus left. It's all about money, ie. ratings and circulation.
I believe the bias is far more subtle than you do.
Of course they reported the Clinton stories--after he was shown to be a liar, they had to report them, or give up any pretense of objectivity. yet, even while reporting, they marveled at how well he lied.

Compare the coverage of Obama's trip to McCain's, and tell me that the press is handling the candidates in a fair and impartial manner.
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For the most part, the media doesn't lean one way or the other. Feed something interesting into it, and it'll spew it back out. See Bush Administration media manipulation. Or the Lewinsky coverage. Or the Gulf War. They lean whichever way they are pushed.

I think most everyone realizes this election will be a referendum on Obama, rather than an Obama v McCain. Thus, Obama gets more coverage. He is also a lot more interesting than McCain.
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For the most part, the media doesn't lean one way or the other. Feed something interesting into it, and it'll spew it back out....
Have there been any academic studies of media bias?

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Skimming through the responses it seems clear that most believe each of our in-country networks has some bias. Like mentioned briefly above, BBC seems more balanced on most issues. At the very least they provide different perspectives.

Had to chuckle when I read the reference to Diane Rehm being more center. Probably regarding a lot of issues yet she was mindlessly off-base about what incorrectly became known as NH's "View Tax". She and many others didn't seem to be able to grasp the concept of value enhancements as dictated by the RE market forces. Their view, if followed to the end, would indicate that five acres with lake frontage should not be assessed higher than five acres w/o frontage... her line seemed to follow the misguided voices with political and financial clout. So . . . she was right in the mix of most major networks.
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...Compare the coverage of Obama's trip to McCain's, and tell me that the press is handling the candidates in a fair and impartial manner.
OK, and while we're at it, lets compare, say, the coverage of Obama's supposed flip-flop on Iraq with the coverage of McCain's proposal, which he made more than once, to put missile defense into Czechoslovakia, a country that hasn't existed for 15 years.

Better yet, lets agree to disagree. I accept that you find the media to be biased to the left. You should accept that I ain't buying it.
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Have there been any academic studies of media bias?

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OK, and while we're at it, lets compare, say, the coverage of Obama's supposed flip-flop on Iraq with the coverage of McCain's proposal, which he made more than once, to put missile defense into Czechoslovakia, a country that hasn't existed for 15 years.

Better yet, lets agree to disagree. I accept that you find the media to be biased to the left. You should accept that I ain't buying it.
Not to mention, just imagine if Obama makes a mistake like McCain did when he was in Iraq. McCain only caught a few passing critical remarks about that. Obama will be vilified if he makes that kind of mistake.
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...Not to mention, just imagine if Obama makes a mistake like McCain did when he was in Iraq. McCain only caught a few passing critical remarks about that. Obama will be vilified if he makes that kind of mistake.
This is off-topic, but I just wanted to say something about Hillary.

It really sticks in my craw that she said that McCain is qualified to be Commander in Chief. Maybe he is, but there is strong evidence to the contrary. He has mixed up Sunni and Shia, he shows a lack of knowledge of Iran's role in Iraq, he thinks that Czecholslovakia is still a country, and on it goes. By trying so desperately to get the nomination, Hillary made it much tougher to make the case that McCain might be just as clueless about foreign affairs and national security as our current President.
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One reason people think the media is biased.

We had to hear for weeks on end about Obama not wearing a flag pin.

But do we hear this story ?

Which is a much better insight into the morals of McCain than forgetting
to put on a flag pin could ever be.

...

Chapter IV: Arizona, the early years
By Bill Muller
The Arizona Republic
June 05, 1999 12:12:00

In 1979, John McCain came face to face with his future.
He was in Hawaii, attending a military reception. While there, he met a young, blond, former cheerleader named Cindy Hensley.
It was an incredible stroke of luck for McCain.
How fortunate could one man be? Here was McCain, who had his eye on Congress, meeting a young, attractive beer heiress from Arizona, which was adding a congressional district in 1982.
McCain recalls that both he and Cindy fudged their ages at first. McCain made himself a little younger and Cindy made herself a little older. They found out their real ages when the local paper published them. McCain was 43, Cindy 25.
''So our marriage,'' McCain cracks, ''is really based on a tissue of lies.''
While they were dating, McCain called Cindy from Beijing, where he was traveling with a contingent from the Senate Foreign Relations Committee while she was in the hospital recuperating from minor knee surgery. She thanked him for the lovely flowers in her room, sent from ''John.''
What McCain didn't tell Cindy was that he hadn't sent the flowers. They were from another John, who lived in Tucson.
''I never thanked him,'' Cindy notes with a grin.
After a whirlwind courtship, John asked Cindy to marry him. But there were some details to clear out of the way.
McCain needed a divorce from his wife of 14 years, Carol, who had been badly injured in a car accident while McCain languished in Hanoi.
The marriage had been strained by his years of absence, along with McCain's admitted affairs after returning from Vietnam.
In February 1980, less than a year after he met Cindy, McCain petitioned a Florida court to dissolve his marriage to Carol, calling the union ''irretrievably broken.'' Bud Day, a lawyer and fellow POW, handled the case.
''I thought things were going fairly well, and then it just came apart,'' Day recalls. ''That happened to quite a few. . . . I don't fault (Carol), and I don't really fault John, either.''
In the divorce settlement, McCain was generous with Carol, the mother of their daughter Sydney and two other children, whom McCain had adopted. Among other things, McCain gave Carol the rights to houses in Florida and Virginia, and agreed to pay her medical bills for life.
Except for signing the property settlement, Carol did not participate in the divorce. A court summons and other paperwork sent to her during the proceeding went unanswered.
In April, the judge entered a default judgment and declared the marriage dissolved. A month later, McCain married Cindy in Phoenix, and they moved there.

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I like the part about McCain "languishing" in Hanoi.

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The right has done a brilliant job of claiming left media bias
for years.

Repeat anything often enough, long enough and it becomes truth.

The left seems to be starting to get this and will use "change" this election.

Keep your message simple (it should be able to fit on a bumper sticker),
repeat it often and you can win the politics game.
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Don Henley's "Dirty Laundry" seems to be the motto of the new media...

Knee-jerk footage/audio and then, maybe, a re-write or an apology for the mis-information later...assuming of course, that enough people give a rat's @$$ to call in and complain...

But, overall, left-leaning and dirty...

Some righties, but far outweighed by the left-leaning...

And as solid as Jello on the facts...i.e.: "An un-named source..."

When I hear that, I shut down. 9 times out of 10, it's one editor's opinion vs. the real story...
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One reason people think the media is biased.

We had to hear for weeks on end about Obama not wearing a flag pin.

But do we hear this story ?

Which is a much better insight into the morals of McCain than forgetting
to put on a flag pin could ever be.

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Chapter IV: Arizona, the early years
By Bill Muller
The Arizona Republic
June 05, 1999 12:12:00

In 1979, John McCain came face to face with his future.
He was in Hawaii, attending a military reception. While there, he met a young, blond, former cheerleader named Cindy Hensley.
It was an incredible stroke of luck for McCain.
How fortunate could one man be? Here was McCain, who had his eye on Congress, meeting a young, attractive beer heiress from Arizona, which was adding a congressional district in 1982.
McCain recalls that both he and Cindy fudged their ages at first. McCain made himself a little younger and Cindy made herself a little older. They found out their real ages when the local paper published them. McCain was 43, Cindy 25.
''So our marriage,'' McCain cracks, ''is really based on a tissue of lies.''
While they were dating, McCain called Cindy from Beijing, where he was traveling with a contingent from the Senate Foreign Relations Committee while she was in the hospital recuperating from minor knee surgery. She thanked him for the lovely flowers in her room, sent from ''John.''
What McCain didn't tell Cindy was that he hadn't sent the flowers. They were from another John, who lived in Tucson.
''I never thanked him,'' Cindy notes with a grin.
After a whirlwind courtship, John asked Cindy to marry him. But there were some details to clear out of the way.
McCain needed a divorce from his wife of 14 years, Carol, who had been badly injured in a car accident while McCain languished in Hanoi.
The marriage had been strained by his years of absence, along with McCain's admitted affairs after returning from Vietnam.
In February 1980, less than a year after he met Cindy, McCain petitioned a Florida court to dissolve his marriage to Carol, calling the union ''irretrievably broken.'' Bud Day, a lawyer and fellow POW, handled the case.
''I thought things were going fairly well, and then it just came apart,'' Day recalls. ''That happened to quite a few. . . . I don't fault (Carol), and I don't really fault John, either.''
In the divorce settlement, McCain was generous with Carol, the mother of their daughter Sydney and two other children, whom McCain had adopted. Among other things, McCain gave Carol the rights to houses in Florida and Virginia, and agreed to pay her medical bills for life.
Except for signing the property settlement, Carol did not participate in the divorce. A court summons and other paperwork sent to her during the proceeding went unanswered.
In April, the judge entered a default judgment and declared the marriage dissolved. A month later, McCain married Cindy in Phoenix, and they moved there.

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RichC,
I have made no comments on the flag pin issue. I think it is about as stupid an issue as can be raised. Keep trying though, I am confident of your ability to find something even less important.
I do not believe I have made any positive comments about McCain, either.
I think that both presumed candidates from both major parties are equally qualified, or unqualified, as the case may be, to be president.
I cannot remember a weaker choice between the two major parties.
And yet the Republic will survive.

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