You decide...

http://americansforprosperity.org/index.php?id=5931

__________________
"It's normal for these things to empty your wallet and break your heart in the process."
2012 SLK 350
1987 420 SEL

I think he's exceeding his allowed personal carbon footprint . . . .

__________________
" We have nothing to fear but the main stream media itself . . . ."- Adapted from Franklin D Roosevelt for the 21st century

OBK #55

1998 Lincoln Continental - Sold
Max 1984 300TD 285,000 miles - Sold
The Dee8gonator 1987 560SEC 196,000 miles - Sold
Orgasmatron - 2006 CLS500 90,000 miles
2002 C320 Wagon 122,000 miles
2016 AMG GTS 12,000 miles

I saw a bumper sticker on the back of a big ol' SUV yesterday that just said "Al Gore." No sure what the message was there . . . .

__________________
" We have nothing to fear but the main stream media itself . . . ."- Adapted from Franklin D Roosevelt for the 21st century

OBK #55

1998 Lincoln Continental - Sold
Max 1984 300TD 285,000 miles - Sold
The Dee8gonator 1987 560SEC 196,000 miles - Sold
Orgasmatron - 2006 CLS500 90,000 miles
2002 C320 Wagon 122,000 miles
2016 AMG GTS 12,000 miles

I caught a little of the rerun of yesterdays Meet the Press. Big Al was on with Tom Brokaw. I could have swarn I heard him say the polar ice cap would melt in five years. If he didn't say that, that's what it sure sounded like.
There's no room for debate in his mind.

Here it is:

MR. BROKAW: But if Florida approves it, do you think that they should be allowed to drill?

VICE PRES. GORE: I think that the areas that have environmental values and economic values connected to the environment at stake should be protected. And the larger reason why is even if they went in that direction, everybody acknowledges, it would have zero impact on gasoline prices or oil prices. It's a drop in the bucket that would pose high risk of very important values. It wouldn't even start until 10 or 15 years from now and would likely to be--likely be sold to China anyway. And going back over and over and over again to the old ways of the past just puts off the reckoning with the, the opportunity that we need to seize now to shift over to renewable sources of energy.

People used to propose cures for hangovers by having what they call the "hair of the dog that bit you," just more in the morning. Well, we've got a big hangover right now because oil is so high in price, so much of it comes from overseas. The climate crisis is really the heart of this. This is no joke, Tom. You said in your intro that there's some debate about how real it is. There's really not a debate in the mainstream scientific community. It is the most serious threat that our civilization has ever faced. Look at the fires out in California right now. Look at the epic flooding in the Midwest. Look at the stronger storms, and all predicted. The, the entire North Polar ice cap, Tom. Been there three million years, it's the size of the lower 48 states, and the scientists now say that there's a 75 percent chance it'll be completely gone during the summer in, in as little as five years. This is happening on our watch. We have got to respond.

MR. BROKAW: Well, I'm--the indication that I gave at the beginning was not that it's not real. I think that there is a growing and vast majority of people who believe it's real. The question is to what degree and how quickly is it coming, and what can we do about it?

VICE PRES. GORE: Well, we're getting...

MR. BROKAW: I think it's fair to say that even within the scientific community there's a debate about that, because I've been tracking this issue pretty carefully.

VICE PRES. GORE: Well, I, I mean, I think there's a consensus now that it's happening even more rapidly than the scientists were telling us years ago. We're seeing record high temperatures. Nine of the 10 hottest years ever recorded have, have been in the last couple of decades. We're seeing the stronger storms. We're seeing the damage that, that people--and our national security experts--the military intelligence, the Pentagon, the National Intelligence Defense Council--they have warned us about the national security threats from potentially hundreds of millions of climate refugees caused by the climate crisis. This is really--just this, this past week, the EPA said the American way of life is threatened.

MR. BROKAW: The health of individuals could be affected.

VICE PRES. GORE: That's correct. Because tropical diseases that have never been known in the United States are now beginning to move northward into our country as the temperatures increase. These fires--let me come back to that briefly--scientists are now saying that for every one degree increase in temperature, there's a 10 percent increase in lightning strikes. And with the, the, the drying of the vegetation, the dry trees and the ones killed by these beetles that are on the rampage with the warmer temperatures.

I'd like to see "Big Al" driving around town in a Ford Focus, he might have a better following if he practiced what he preached. Now if he'd keep his personal 727 on the ground and used a Hot Air Balloon(sp) just think of how much Co2 would be eliminated from the ozone....

__________________
"It's normal for these things to empty your wallet and break your heart in the process."
2012 SLK 350
1987 420 SEL

Are you trying to suggest that he is being hypocritical.

__________________
" We have nothing to fear but the main stream media itself . . . ."- Adapted from Franklin D Roosevelt for the 21st century

OBK #55

1998 Lincoln Continental - Sold
Max 1984 300TD 285,000 miles - Sold
The Dee8gonator 1987 560SEC 196,000 miles - Sold
Orgasmatron - 2006 CLS500 90,000 miles
2002 C320 Wagon 122,000 miles
2016 AMG GTS 12,000 miles

I think Al's agenda is to cause us some real big problems.

It's the way he is presenting it, creating media euphoria without having an actual backup plan.

Very disturbing.

Wanting to change energy politics, will require a different approach.

The climate changes, supposedly resulting from our shabby treatment of the environment, are about to happen, regardless of how radically we change our energy consumption.

I'd say "Yes!", Al is too much hot air on a subject, that's already causing us a lot of 'heat'.

__________________

Hot air or crap?

__________________
" We have nothing to fear but the main stream media itself . . . ."- Adapted from Franklin D Roosevelt for the 21st century

OBK #55

1998 Lincoln Continental - Sold
Max 1984 300TD 285,000 miles - Sold
The Dee8gonator 1987 560SEC 196,000 miles - Sold
Orgasmatron - 2006 CLS500 90,000 miles
2002 C320 Wagon 122,000 miles
2016 AMG GTS 12,000 miles

Al is a hypocritical twit who loves to make the money he has by being the "champion" of an environment that he doesn't understand.

__________________
- Brian


1989 500SEL Euro
1966 250SE Cabriolet
1958 BMW Isetta 600

Algore smoked too much herion laced weed when he was in Vietnam and the effects are coming back to haunt him. that and he has a giant soviet type elitist attitude he wishes to force upon the people of this country. to think he was a heartbeat away from the presidency at one time is scary as hell

I don't know whether is is full, he seems to have a relief system that blows-off excess as it approaches some critical set-point.

Economic crisis threatens EU measures on climate change
by Christian Spillman
40 minutes ago

BRUXELLES (AFP) - The recent economic downturn could push the European Union to adopt more modest ambitions in its fight against climate change.

Although the European Commission has said it wants to cut greenhouse gases by 20 percent by 2020, business leaders oppose the use of fines to oblige industry to reduce its emissions -- especially in the current economic crisis.

The cost to industry is estimated at some 44 billion euros per year between 2013 and 2020, with a tonne (1.1 US tons) of C02 costing 30 euros.

Business leaders have denounced the policy as a "tax", threatening to take their investments elsewhere and move their more polluting activities out of Europe.

Faced with the threat of job losses, governments are feeling the pressure.

"As the economic situation becomes more challenging, it's normal that government becomes more defensive on climate change as the required efforts will lead to additional costs in the short term," a senior Commission official told AFP on the condition of anonymity.

A number of European politicians are now speaking openly about diluting, or even abandoning the project.

"This plan is garbage. It's politically correct, but it won't happen," former Italian prime minister Giuliano Amato said at the end of August.

Renato Brunetta, Italy's minister for innovation, has been equally blunt.

"If it happens, it would kill the economic upturn. No one needs to kill themselves," said Brunetta, a trained economist.

One negotiator involved in the talks between the Commission and member states, said: "We're hearing these arguments more and more, notably from countries such as Italy and Germany, where industry is increasingly worried."

Brussels was taking the threat very seriously, the negotiator added.

The EU's Environment Commissioner Stavros Dimas has nevertheless also publicly called on politicians and businesses not to oppose the measures.

And European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso said: "I'm counting on Mr. Sarkozy's authority that the package will be adopted without being watered down before the end of the year."

France has made this plan one of its priorities during its EU presidency. But Sarkozy's own difficulties finding agreement at home on how to finance his "environmental revolution" suggest the size of the task facing the EU.

French negotiators still have a few weeks and two ministerial meetings to agree on a common position to be presented to the European parliament in October, with a view to reaching an agreement by the end of the year.

"There has been no fundamental breakthrough as yet, but the final phase of negotiations has begun and provided the economic situation does not worsen, we hope to find an agreement," one negotiator said.

The plan has two goals, the same source said: "It's about putting in place the tools to maintain European industry's competitiveness and helping member states achieve their national objectives.

But the negotiator cautioned: "Some decisions are very political and will involve trade-offs."

If you read any reputable sources you will know that the northern ice over the pole is breaking up and melting at record rates.

When It is all gone the absorbsion rates of heat on water vs the ice will raise the oceanic temperatures very very rapidly.

The oceans already are in distress from the effects of overfishing and pollution.

Al has done an excellent job presenting the problem in a way that non scientists can easily understand.

The message has been politicised by others who want it presented as a partisian issue because they know that most folks don't trust politicians.

Tom W

__________________
[SIGPIC] Diesel loving autocrossing grandpa Architect. 08 Dodge 3/4 ton with Cummins & six speed; I have had about 35 benzes. I have a 39 Studebaker Coupe Express pickup in which I have had installed a 617 turbo and a five speed manual.[SIGPIC]

..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

This is all true. But the message is lost for me a little when I consider that Al Gore himself has a $30,000 yearly gas and electric bill. And that is with cheap Tennessee TVA electricity at about .075/KWH. In August 2006 it is said he used over 22,000 KWH. I use about 250 KWH and the "average" household uses less than 1000 I think. He asks if we can change our ways. What about him?

__________________
1998 C230 330,000 miles (currently dead of second failed EIS, yours will fail too, turning you into the dealer's personal human cash machine)
1988 F150 144,000 miles (leaks all the colors of the rainbow)
Previous stars: 1981 Brava 210,000 miles, 1978 128 150,000 miles, 1977 B200 Van 175,000 miles, 1972 Vega (great, if rusty, car), 1972 Celica, 1986.5 Supra

If al gives his house to you and goes to live in a trailer woud you:

1. turn down the big house on moral issues...

2. listen to him if he lives in a little modest trailer?

Be honest now....






H_LL NO!

You still wouldn't listen to him because you don't want to hear the story he is telling.

Criticising him for his big house is just a diversionary arguement.

Tom W

__________________
[SIGPIC] Diesel loving autocrossing grandpa Architect. 08 Dodge 3/4 ton with Cummins & six speed; I have had about 35 benzes. I have a 39 Studebaker Coupe Express pickup in which I have had installed a 617 turbo and a five speed manual.[SIGPIC]

..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.