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Old 07-22-2008, 02:24 AM
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Crime and Punishment in Iran

I saw the following article recently and thought Id solicit it for feedback from the readership. What is your view on this kind of justice? What does this say about values in Iran compared to the west?

Activists: Iranians to be stoned to death

Iran has sentenced eight women and one man convicted of adultery to death by stoning, activists said Sunday.


TEHRAN, Iran
Iran has sentenced eight women and one man convicted of adultery to death by stoning, activists said Sunday.

A lawyer and women's rights activist, Shadi Sadr, said the nine, who are between 27 and 50 years old, were convicted of adultery in separate cases in different Iranian cities. Trial protocol was not applied properly in the cases, she said.

Six of the nine were convicted based solely on judges' decisions with no witnesses or the presence of their lawyers during their confessions, said Sadr, who has been leading a campaign in Iran against stoning deaths.

"Their verdicts are approved, and they may be executed at any time," she told reporters. "We are trying to stop the implementation of their verdicts. And we want to amend the country's penal law, in which death by stoning is prescribed."

Under Iran's Islamic laws, adultery is the only capital offense punishable by stoning. A man is usually buried up to his waist, while a woman is buried up to her neck. Those carrying out the verdict then throw stones until the condemned dies.

Stoning was widely imposed in the early years after Iran's 1979 Islamic revolution, but it has seldom been applied in recent years, though the government rarely confirms when it carries out stoning sentences.

Reformist legislators have demanded an end to death by stoning as a punishment for adultery, but opposition from hard-line clerics has sidelined their efforts.

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Old 07-22-2008, 07:17 AM
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Internal affairs of a sovereign nation. Doesn't that mean outsiders have no role?
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Internal affairs of a sovereign nation. Doesn't that mean outsiders have no role?
Even Neville Chamberlain would have disagreed with THAT glib remark...
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Even Neville Chamberlain would have disagreed with THAT glib remark...
Probably right. He would have expressed deep reproach and then signed a document expressing mutual understanding.

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medevial barbarism at it's finest. and you say we shouldn't overthrow this govenment? or that this mindset is ok to transport all over the world?

on the other hand, I have been stoned many times I committed adultery: it's easier that way.....
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I don't see how this is much different from what some of the conservative hardliners preach in our country such as torture, indefinite incarceration and extraordinary rendition of anyone suspected of terrorism or the countless executions of innocent people, mostly blacks. Sometimes it helps to fix your own backyard before criticizing others. Yes this is an internal affair that we have no business interfering in. It's their culture, their laws.
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I don't see how this is much different from what some of the conservative hardliners preach in our country such as torture, indefinite incarceration and extraordinary rendition of anyone suspected of terrorism or the countless executions of innocent people, mostly blacks. Sometimes it helps to fix your own backyard before criticizing others. Yes this is an internal affair that we have no business interfering in. It's their culture, their laws.
I would not feel so all alone

Everybody must get stoned!
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I don't see how this is much different from what some of the conservative hardliners preach in our country such as torture, indefinite incarceration and extraordinary rendition of anyone suspected of terrorism or the countless executions of innocent people, mostly blacks. Sometimes it helps to fix your own backyard before criticizing others. Yes this is an internal affair that we have no business interfering in. It's their culture, their laws.
Does anything in you list above entail death by stoning?


Our biggest problem is the idea of cultural relativity as you said above.
The idea that it is their culture they can do what they want = let them bomb our buildings, kill innocent girls in Texas, destroy Israel, practice female circumcison, etc...

Our culture is not perfect by any means, but it mostly consists of leave me alone and I will do the same. I prefer that to any other 'culture' out there...

The British had the right idea 150 years ago...
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OK. It sucks to be them. Next question. WGAS? Those were the laws they wanted and they got. Don't like it? Move somewhere else. Note. I am not sure about travel issues with those countries. Can they move around freely or are they locked to the state?
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Does anything in you list above entail death by stoning?

The idea that it is their culture they can do what they want =

let them bomb our buildings, kill innocent girls in Texas, destroy Israel,

practice female circumcison, etc...

but it mostly consists of leave me alone and I will do the same. I prefer that to any other 'culture' out there...
In whose opinion? They think so. It is their citizens so it is NOT our problem.

To a point, yes.

That affects us so it becomes a different story.

So their women have a horrible sex life after that. WGAS?

So it is an internal affair. We leave them alone to do as they will. Look at the wonderful Europeans. They insist that we take the death penalty off the table before they extradite our criminals that commit crimes on our soil.
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Does anything in you list above entail death by stoning?
I'd rather die by stoning than be tortured to death. What about you?

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Our biggest problem is the idea of cultural relativity as you said above.
The idea that it is their culture they can do what they want = let them bomb our buildings, kill innocent girls in Texas, destroy Israel, practice female circumcison, etc...
I think you need to put those things back where you pull them from, i.e. your ass.

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Our culture is not perfect by any means, but it mostly consists of leave me alone and I will do the same.
I wish it was like that. Ever heard of Bush's crusade against obscenity on the internet? How's that for "leaving me alone"?
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I think you need to put those things back where you pull them from, i.e. your ass.

I wish it was like that. Ever heard of Bush's crusade against obscenity on the internet? How's that for "leaving me alone"?
What makes you say that?

Nobody said it was perfect but it is less intrusive than many other governments.
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OK. It sucks to be them. Next question. WGAS? Those were the laws they wanted and they got. Don't like it? Move somewhere else. Note. I am not sure about travel issues with those countries. Can they move around freely or are they locked to the state?
I believe they can get out if they can afford it. A lot of them emigrated after the Islamic Revolution.
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What makes you say that?
I'm not sure about the female circumcision which I believe is mostly an African practice, but the rest are pure BS AFAIK. I've never heard Iran call for or engage in any of it, including the violent destruction of Israel which we've discussed before.

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Nobody said it was perfect but it is less intrusive than many other governments.
I agree. But I wish our govt were as non-intrusive as some of the European ones are. I think it will improve if Obama gets elected. Under Clinton there were fewer violations of free speech in our country.

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