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Benzadmiral 07-23-2008 11:10 AM

Word choices
 
My fiction writers' group has been critiquing the novel manuscript of mine that some of you assisted with earlier this year: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/off-topic-discussion/210023-con-game-question.html

The group members are sharp, and I frequently take their advice. But we've bumped into an issue of word choice. Now a writer doesn't have to take the shorter word over the longer or less familiar if the latter is *exactly* right. But I'm wondering. For instance, in a recent discussion, one group member objected to a career cop using the word "firing" to describe the act of arson: "The Arson Squad got a tip that the Wolves [a teenage gang] had been behind the firing of two abandoned houses that winter and spring."

I could use "burning," of course. But I think "firing" (in the sense of "setting fire to," which wouldn't work as I've phrased the speech above) is the sort of term a cop or firefighter, or lawyer, would use. What do you think?
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kerry 07-23-2008 11:12 AM

In my opinion, the word people use in those circumstances is 'torching'. I've never heard 'firing' used that way.

Benzadmiral 07-23-2008 11:17 AM

Yeah, "torching" would be much better than "burning."

My memory throws up a snippet from "Points of Law" in a dictionary from my childhood, saying that "Arson, to be in the first degree, must occur at night, and the buildings fired must have been inhabited."
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75Sv1 07-23-2008 11:22 AM

I hadn't heard the term 'firing' used for arson before. Since it was used in the context of the police, and if it is a term they use, then I would consider it appropriate. It also would depend on how it is used. Some writers, TV show, movies etc. used terms or phrases to add 'ambiance' if you will. Others seem to beat it to death to prove they are experts of the culture or such.
Just think back to say 'Shogun', how many people knew what a 'Shogun' was before. Do we change the term or keep it to add an element of the culture.
Tom

kerry 07-23-2008 11:24 AM

To my mind, the past tense of 'fire' applies to three kinds of events, hardening clay in a kiln, starting an engine (fired it up) or dismissing someone from a job. I have no idea why the past tense of fire does not seem to apply to burning something down. I tried googling 'fired' and found this:

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/fired

which covers the legal definition of arson, but I couldn't find the past tense used in the explanation.

Benzadmiral 07-23-2008 12:00 PM

Examples found
 
See this headline: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=940DE4DD153DE633A25752C1A9679D94669ED7CF

And this item:
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v02/v02p177_Wainwright.html, at the start of paragraph 7: "Van der Lubbe admitted he had fired the building."

That noted, it may be a more specialized or old-fashioned usage than I thought. "Torching" is a lot more vivid.
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Dee8go 07-23-2008 12:22 PM

"Firing" sounds like it's from another era to me. I'd go with "Torching," too.

beevly 07-23-2008 12:43 PM

Firing sounds *exactly* right. It's a much more interesting word that adds an authentic touch without resorting to cliche.

BENZ-LGB 07-23-2008 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry (Post 1918030)
In my opinion, the word people use in those circumstances is 'torching'. I've never heard 'firing' used that way.

I am with you on this one.

I've worked with arson investigators and not once have I heard them use the term "firing" when referring to an arson fire.

kerry 07-23-2008 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Benzadmiral (Post 1918089)

From 1897, no wonder I've never heard it.

dynalow 07-23-2008 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dee8go (Post 1918120)
"Firing" sounds like it's from another era to me. I'd go with "Torching," too.

Yep.

Another era? The NYT link was to a headline dated 1897:eek:

Benzadmiral 07-23-2008 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dynalow (Post 1918161)
Yep.

Another era? The NYT link was to a headline dated 1897:eek:

My gosh. I didn't realize their archives went back that far!

And come to think of it, the dictionary I quoted from was quite old -- my mother said my father had given it to her before I was born. Since the cop in my story is about 45 years old, I think "firing" might well have passed its vogue before he was born.

Mistress 07-23-2008 01:03 PM

torching sounds better.

Dee8go 07-23-2008 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Benzadmiral (Post 1918164)
My gosh. I didn't realize their archives went back that far!

And come to think of it, the dictionary I quoted from was quite old -- my mother said my father had given it to her before I was born. Since the cop in my story is about 45 years old, I think "firing" might well have passed its vogue before he was born.

I have read that expression used in the Eighteenth Century, but not too much as late as the Twentieth. I guess you should check the OED if you want the definitive answer.

kerry 07-23-2008 01:14 PM

I was going to check the OED but my copy's in the office.
My theory is that "to fire' meaning 'to burn' went out of vogue once 'to fire' meaning 'to dismiss an employee' came into vogue. But I'm completely at a loss to figure out how the meaning 'to dismiss an employee' ever arose from the verb 'fire'. Anybody have any clues?


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