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Old 08-11-2008, 12:39 AM
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When you join the Military, they own your a$$. you don`t get to pick the job you want, they place you where you are best suited for the Military.

When in Boot Camp there are a battery of tests each recruit takes, based on the results, this is what they do.

AWOL/UA is a serious matter. In time of war, a Deserter can be in front of a firing squad.

This kid better turn his butt in now. longer he delays it the worse it gets.

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Old 08-11-2008, 07:10 AM
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"where you might get sent to levenworth"

Nope, try Portsmouth Naval Prison, a nasty dark hole of a place...

I grew up in a Navy town and remember when the SP's would go down to the Sherriff's Office to pick up AWOL's.

Ever seen someone buck naked, dragged down the stairs and out to the wagon by the cuffs, while being whupped with a radiator hose full of buckshot?

Well during 'Nam, that's what the Mayport SP's called "Stage 1 Attitude Adjustment"!

I never thought to ask what Stage 2 was....
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Old 08-11-2008, 07:32 AM
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Does anyone know what happens if a sailor goes AWOL?

This sailor graduated from basic @ Great Lakes in March and was stationed in Florida. He found out a medical condition would prevent him from getting the job that he wanted, so he left.

What are the chances the Navy will come after him? If he gets pulled over for speeding, can a municipal/county/highway police officer see he is AWOL and arrest him?

He is under the belief that if he waits a period of time (6-9 months?) he can reapply to a different branch and "all will be forgiven" - is this likely?
If they catch, which is unlikely, him they'll probably hit him pretty hard. If he turns himself in the punishment is not too bad.

Long-term he's screwing himself badly for many future job prospects. Worse, there is no statute of limitations. This will hang onto him forever.

Worst case he'll get a general discharge of some sort. That's better than no discharge.
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Old 08-11-2008, 07:34 AM
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"where you might get sent to levenworth"

Nope, try Portsmouth Naval Prison, a nasty dark hole of a place...

I grew up in a Navy town and remember when the SP's would go down to the Sherriff's Office to pick up AWOL's.

Ever seen someone buck naked, dragged down the stairs and out to the wagon by the cuffs, while being whupped with a radiator hose full of buckshot?

Well during 'Nam, that's what the Mayport SP's called "Stage 1 Attitude Adjustment"!

I never thought to ask what Stage 2 was....
What was that movie starring Jack Nicholson as a GM1 SP? Now there's a wake-up knock.
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Old 08-11-2008, 08:08 AM
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I was speculating based on the fact that they take convicted felons.
As does the Marines.
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Old 08-11-2008, 08:10 AM
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I don't think they simply take every convicted felon who signs up, do they?
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Old 08-11-2008, 08:18 AM
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What was that movie starring Jack Nicholson as a GM1 SP? Now there's a wake-up knock.

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Old 08-11-2008, 08:24 AM
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Was that the name of it? Nicholson sure as hell had the walk and talk from that era. He had to have hung-out with sailors to nail it so perfectly. Waaaay too believable.

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It was "Last Detail" 1973

ex of dialogue (Nicholson = Buddusky):

Buddusky: Welcome to the wonderful world of pussy, kid.
Meadows: After... after... well maybe it was an act for her. I mean I know she was a whore. But I think she liked me.
Buddusky: They got feelings just like everybody else, kid; she probably did.
Meadows: Well, it was real for me. That's what counts.
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Old 08-11-2008, 08:53 AM
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Was that the name of it? Nicholson sure as hell had the walk and talk from that era. He had to have hung-out with sailors to nail it so perfectly. Waaaay too believable.

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It was "Last Detail" 1973

ex of dialogue (Nicholson = Buddusky):

Buddusky: Welcome to the wonderful world of pussy, kid.
Meadows: After... after... well maybe it was an act for her. I mean I know she was a whore. But I think she liked me.
Buddusky: They got feelings just like everybody else, kid; she probably did.
Meadows: Well, it was real for me. That's what counts.
Yep. You are correct B. I had them confused. I'm thnking of the one with James Caan. Amazing what 35 years does to memory.
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Clip from LAST DETAIL. Yeah B, he looks the part, don't he?

http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/28312/The-Last-Detail/trailers

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Old 08-11-2008, 10:29 AM
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Article 86

866. ART. 86. ABSENCE WITHOUT LEAVE
Any member of the armed forces who, without authority--
(1) fails to go to his appointed place of duty at the time prescribed;
(2) goes from that place; or
(3) absents himself or remains absent from his unit, organization, or place of duty at which he is required to be at the time prescribed; shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.



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Explanation.

(1) In general. This article is designed to cover every case not elsewhere provided for in which any member of the armed forces is through the member’s own fault not at the place where the member is required to be at a prescribed time. It is not necessary that the person be absent entirely from military jurisdiction and control. The first part of this article—relating to the appointed place of duty—applies whether the place is appointed as a rendezvous for several or for one only.

(2) Actual knowledge. The offenses of failure to go to and going from appointed place of duty require proof that the accused actually knew of the appointed time and place of duty. The offense of absence from unit, organization, or place of duty with intent to avoid maneuvers or field exercises requires proof that the accused actually knew that the absence would occur during a part of a period of maneuvers or field exercises. Actual knowledge may be proved by circumstantial evidence.

(3) Intent. Specific intent is not an element of unauthorized absence. Specific intent is an element for certain aggravated unauthorized absences.

(4) Aggravated forms of unauthorized absence. There are variations of unauthorized absence under Article 86(3) which are more serious because of aggravating circumstances such as duration of the absence, a special type of duty from which the accused absents himself or herself, and a particular specific intent which accompanies the absence. These circumstances are not essential elements of a violation of Article 86. They simply constitute special matters in aggravation. The following are aggravated unauthorized absences:


(a) Unauthorized absence for more than 3 days (duration).

(b) Unauthorized absence for more than 30 days (duration).

(c) Unauthorized absence from a guard, watch, or duty (special type of duty).

(d) Unauthorized absence from guard, watch, or duty section with the intent to abandon it (special type of duty and specific intent).

(e) Unauthorized absence with the intent to avoid maneuvers or field exercises (special type of duty and specific intent).

(5) Control by civilian authorities. A member of the armed forces turned over to the civilian authorities upon request under Article 14, (see R.C.M. 106) is not absent without leave while held by them under that delivery. When a member of the armed forces, being absent with leave, or absent without leave, is held, tried, and acquitted by civilian authorities, the member’s status as absent with leave, or absent without leave, is not thereby changed, regardless how long held. The fact that a member of the armed forces is convicted by the civilian authorities, or adjudicated to be a juvenile offender, or the case is “diverted” out of the regular criminal process for a probationary period does not excuse any unauthorized absence, because the member’s inability to return was the result of willful misconduct. If a member is released by the civilian authorities with-out trial, and was on authorized leave at the time of arrest or detention, the member may be found guilty of unauthorized absence only if it is proved that the member actually committed the offense for which detained, thus establishing that the absence was the result of the member’s own misconduct.

(6) Inability to return. The status of absence without leave is not changed by an inability to return through sickness, lack of transportation facilities, or other disabilities. But the fact that all or part of a period of unauthorized absence was in a sense en-forced or involuntary is a factor in extenuation and should be given due weight when considering the initial disposition of the offense. When, however, a person on authorized leave, without fault, is unable to return at the expiration thereof, that person has not committed the offense of absence without leave.

(7) Determining the unit or organization of an accused. A person undergoing transfer between activities is ordinarily considered to be attached to the activity to which ordered to report. A person on temporary additional duty continues as a member of the regularly assigned unit and if the person is absent from the temporary duty assignment, the person becomes absent without leave from both units, and may be charged with being absent without leave from either unit.

(8) Duration. Unauthorized absence under Article 86(3) is an instantaneous offense. It is complete at the instant an accused absents himself or herself without authority. Duration of the absence is a matter in aggravation for the purpose of increasing the maximum punishment authorized for the offense. Even if the duration of the absence is not over 3 days, it is ordinarily alleged in an Article 86(3) specification. If the duration is not alleged or if alleged but not proved, an accused can be convicted of and punished for only 1 day of unauthorized absence.

9) Computation of duration. In computing the duration of an unauthorized absence, any one continuous period of absence found that totals not more than 24 hours is counted as 1 day; any such period that totals more than 24 hours and not more than 48 hours is counted as 2 days, and so on. The hours of departure and return on different dates are assumed to be the same if not alleged and proved. For example, if an accused is found guilty of unauthorized absence from 0600 hours, 4 April, to 1000 hours, 7 April of the same year (76 hours), the maximum punishment would be based on an absence of 4 days. However, if the accused is found guilty simply of unauthorized absence from 4 April to 7 April, the maximum punishment would be based on an absence of 3 days.

(10) Termination—methods of return to military control.


(a) Surrender to military authority. A surrender occurs when a person presents himself or herself to any military authority, whether or not a member of the same armed force, notifies that authority of his or her unauthorized absence status, and submits or demonstrates a willingness to submit to military control. Such a surrender terminates the unauthorized absence.

(b) Apprehension by military authority. Apprehension by military authority of a known absentee terminates an unauthorized absence.

(c) Delivery to military authority. Delivery of a known absentee by anyone to military authority terminates the unauthorized absence.

(d) Apprehension by civilian authorities at the request of the military. When an absentee is taken into custody by civilian authorities at the request of military authorities, the absence is terminated.

(e) Apprehension by civilian authorities with-out prior military request. When an absentee is in the hands of civilian authorities for other reasons and these authorities make the absentee available for return to military control, the absence is terminated when the military authorities are informed of the absentee’s availability.

(11) Findings of more than one absence under one specification. Anaccused may properly be found guilty of two or more separate unauthorized absences under one specification, provided that each absence is included within the period alleged in the specification and provided that the accused was not misled. If an accused is found guilty of two or more unauthorized absences under a single specification, the maximum authorized punishment shall not exceed that authorized if the accused had been found guilty as charged in the specification.

Lesser included offense .

Article 80—attempts

Maximum punishment.

(1) Failing to go to, or going from, the appointed place of duty. Confinement for 1 month and forfeiture of two-thirds pay per month for 1 month.

(2) Absence from unit, organization, or other place of duty.


(a) For not more than 3 days. Confinement for 1 month and forfeiture of two-thirds pay per month for 1 month.

(b) For more than 3 days but not more than 30 days. Confinement for 6 months and forfeiture of two-thirds pay per month for 6months.

(c) For more than 30 days. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 1 year.

(d) For more than 30 days and terminated by apprehension. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 18 months.

(3) From guard or watch. Confinement f o r 3 months and forfeiture of two-thirds pay per month for 3 months.

(4) From guard or watch with intent to abandon. Bad-conduct discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 6 months.

(5) With intent to avoid maneuvers or field exercises. Bad-conduct discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 6 months.

Next Article> Article 87-Missing movement >

Above Information from Manual for Court Martial, 2002, Chapter 4, Paragraph 10
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Old 08-11-2008, 11:00 AM
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From reading the above, I suggest he turn himself in BEFORE 30 days elapse.
Punishment is much less severe, and he may avoid a Dishonorable discharge, which a young man may regret in later years.
Time for him to man up.
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Old 08-11-2008, 11:14 AM
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To summarize everyone here that has been in the military agrees on one thing, if he turns himself in before they find him the punishment will be minimal, if he's picked up J-Walking he's toast.

I think its a MBshop first to have this kind of consensus so for goodness sake, tell the guy to turn himself in.

A quick google revealed a GI rights hotline 800-394-9544. I won't list the website because they are not my cup of tea.
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Old 08-11-2008, 11:18 AM
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On a humourous note we had a guy go AWOL for a Pink Floyd concert, he was a supertrooper, educated never in trouble which is what made it funny. At that age and the stress the kids are under they do stupid things, the commanders and NCO's know that so in his case he had extra duty for 30 days and had to wear that black Pink Floyd T-Shirt everyday.

The haze alone was ample punishment.
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Old 08-11-2008, 11:20 AM
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Wow, GREAT infromation dynalow; thank you.

He wanted to be a rescue swimmer but had a medical condition that prevented that. So he left. He thinks it was "breach of contract" on the Navy's part and isn't worried too much about it.

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