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Old 09-18-2008, 12:38 PM
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Police shoot innocent homeowner who was holding gun on suspect.

Police shoot innocent homeowner who was holding gun on suspect.

Police force needs I.Q. test to weed out retards before handing out weapons!

http://www.azfamily.com/yahoo_rss/stories/phoenix-local-news-091708-shooting.885ed4d1.html


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Confusion, adrenalin, panic and dis-order. Not a good combination for snap decisions.

Of course, I found it rather amusing that according to the original spokesman the officer fired several rounds but didn't know if he hit the suspect. Now THAT'S scary!
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Confusion, adrenalin, panic and dis-order. Not a good combination for snap decisions.

Of course, I found it rather amusing that according to the original spokesman the officer fired several rounds but didn't know if he hit the suspect. Now THAT'S scary!
With the police, it's "business as usual" - Shoot first and ask questions later... bury the evidence (and deny any wrong doing of course!)
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Old 09-18-2008, 01:35 PM
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Police shoot innocent homeowner who was holding gun on suspect.

Police force needs I.Q. test to weed out retards before handing out weapons!

http://www.azfamily.com/yahoo_rss/stories/phoenix-local-news-091708-shooting.885ed4d1.html
Well, anti-gun people always say that gun owners are more likely to be shot in their own homes than the criminals . . . . I guess maybe that's true. You have to ask yourself if that guy would have been shot if he didn't have a gun?
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They do test IQs... Then take the lowest:
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_56314.html

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A US man has been rejected in his bid to become a police officer for scoring too high on an intelligence test.

Robert Jordan, a 49-year-old college graduate, took an exam to join the New London police, in Connecticut, in 1996 and scored 33 points, the equivalent of an IQ of 125.

But New London police interviewed only candidates who scored 20 to 27, on the theory that those who scored too high could get bored with police work and leave soon after undergoing costly training.
Happens all over. No, the explanation isn't valid. No, they aren't trying to change it. Yes, they intend to give the job and gun and "power" to people who simply follow orders and don't ask questions. Call it what you want, but it's not an accident, therefore it must be an agenda.
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Old 09-18-2008, 02:02 PM
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Well, anti-gun people always say that gun owners are more likely to be shot in their own homes than the criminals . . . . I guess maybe that's true. You have to ask yourself if that guy would have been shot if he didn't have a gun?
No, I'd ask myself, if I was innocent, and the police were shooting at me, would I have the right to shoot back at them? Makes you wonder...

If they can make deadly mistakes and get away with them, can we also? Hmmm...?
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Old 09-18-2008, 02:04 PM
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Of course not. That's why they wear uniforms . . .
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Old 09-18-2008, 02:06 PM
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They do test IQs... Then take the lowest:
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_56314.html



Happens all over. No, the explanation isn't valid. No, they aren't trying to change it. Yes, they intend to give the job and gun and "power" to people who simply follow orders and don't ask questions. Call it what you want, but it's not an accident, therefore it must be an agenda.
I think that is a bit over the top. I would not hire a PHd to push carts for a grocery store. The time and money I would have to expend to hire him would not be worth it when he leaves becasue he is bored. I believe there is such a thing as being 'over qualified' for a job.

Should you take up the argument that the hiring standards a a bit lower than what is being advertised I would tend to agree. There do seem to be a few neanderthals sneaking through the hiring process.

As an aside. I was jury foreman on a DUI case a few years back. The arresting officer had 2 PHd's and a Masters. The secondary officer had a BS and IIRC was going for a PHd or Masters (it may have been her third degree she was studying for). I recall being uite impressed with their level of education and confused how they could underestimate our (the jury) inteligence by lying to us.

Perhaps the level of schooling one attains is not always reflective of performance.
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No, I'd ask myself, if I was innocent, and the police were shooting at me, would I have the right to shoot back at them? Makes you wonder...

If they can make deadly mistakes and get away with them, can we also? Hmmm...?
Go for it and let us know how it works out for you.
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Of course not. That's why they wear uniforms . . .
To denote that they are the "good guys"? "Dumb guys" with guns you mean...

Security guards? What security? That's the reason I own a gun. No faith in IDIOTS. I won't call the police.
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I don't think the police are all as bad as you seem to think. There are good ones and bad ones just as there are in any other profession. When they're bad, they DO have the opportunity to do some real harm, though.
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Frightening part is these mid IQs are prometed thru the ranks till they make chief. Do they become more intelligent as they are promoted?
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I don't think the police are all as bad as you seem to think. There are good ones and bad ones just as there are in any other profession.
That is something for them to prove and not for us to simply buy into.
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Anybody in the DC area remember Chief Moose, the Chief of the Montgomery County (MD) Police Dept.? He attained his fifteen minutes of fame during the DC sniper hunt a few years ago. I read the other day that he's now a beat cop in Hawaii. Hawaii must have much higher sstandards than Rockville, MD. The fact that he made it to the level of chief in a large metropolitan police department is pretty scarey.
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Confusion, adrenalin, panic and dis-order. Not a good combination for snap decisions.

Of course, I found it rather amusing that according to the original spokesman the officer fired several rounds but didn't know if he hit the suspect. Now THAT'S scary!
That's it. Training at a firing range does not help you manage the tension, fear and adrenalin of a real confrontation.

NYPD stats show that about 70% of shootouts involving their police occur where the distance between parties is less than 2 yards and the lead on target rate is 10%. Another 20% is between 2 and 5 yeards and again the hit rate is 10%. These guys aren't bad shots as they routinely win shooting contests.

I was at a shooting seminar presented by a couple of retired Spetsnaz guys and they talked about this in detail. They said that no matter how good a shot someone is, in a confrontation most people either have one of two reactions - they get so tense they freeze up and their movements are not well co-ordinated or they start to shake, which is just as bad - in both cases the physical tension overrides mental judgement. A lot of people think in a crisis they will rise to the occasion, but in reality you fall to the lowest level of your training.

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