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mwood · #1 10-02-2008, 11:30 PM

Palin not only held her own, she excelled. I can't wait to hear the detractors try to find fault.

MTI · #2 10-02-2008, 11:58 PM

She succeeded in not being what her handlers tried to make her.

Do you agree with that or disagree?

A264172 · #3 10-03-2008, 12:00 AM

She did come across well.

Palin had much better audience response than Biden on CNN's non scientific like-o-meter at the start of the affair, though Biden turned the tide over the course of the event and ended up evoking the stronger response to his points from the focus group. Over all she defended her position well, and I think she would be a strong candidate if she didn't have to drag that millstone McCain to the finish line with her...

mwood · #4 10-03-2008, 12:03 AM

I don't have inside information as to what her "handlers" were trying to make her. Do you? From what I saw of McCains expectations they were for her to be her self; I think she did just that. Good luck tyring to put a negative spin on her performance.

MTI · #5 10-03-2008, 12:06 AM

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I don't have inside information as to what her "handlers" were trying to make her. Do you?

Who(m) do you suppose has been keeping her away from press conferences . . . taking questions at events . . . having the press in attendance at the UN meetings . . .

oh that's right, that's just the media trying to get "gotcha" moments.

Jim B. · #6 10-03-2008, 12:07 AM

Hilarious song parody making the rounds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwqGPMf5aAI

raslaje · #7 10-03-2008, 12:12 AM

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She did come across well.

Over all she defended her position well, and I think she would be a strong candidate if she didn't have to drag that millstone McCain to the finish line with her...

I thought they both were good. They seemed to genuinely like each other. Looked like Biden wanted to hug her when they finished.
Can we make the candidates switch so it becomes a Biden/Palen vs Obama/McCain or McCain/Obama contest?

pawoSD · #8 10-03-2008, 12:21 AM

She specifically avoided answering the real tough questions that would have made McCain look bad. Thats not the way to do it. You don't just ignore a question and give an unrelated answer. That was also McCain's strategy in the first presidential debate. Palin is only saying what they want her to, they've got her pretty well trained it seems.

You'd have to be InSane to vote McCain.

If you want the US to keep failin' vote for Palin.

Too easy.

Reading the facts on the stuff McCain wants to do gives away all his shady tactics.

The real issue is that the rich need to be taxed more and the middle class needs a big boost.

Trying to buy $12,000 health insurance with a check for $5,000....now thats a bridge to nowhere.

I loved the part where Palin said her family is a "Middle Class" family. McCain thinks "rich" is 5+ million. How out of touch ARE these people?!

A264172 · #9 10-03-2008, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by raslaje

I thought they both were good. They seemed to genuinely like each other. Looked like Biden wanted to hug her when they finished.
Can we make the candidates switch so it becomes a Biden/Palen vs Obama/McCain or McCain/Obama contest?

I would prefer an Obama/ McCain presidency and the repeal of the 12th amendment... It would be good for the executive to have to deal directly with the opposition, on that perhaps minor level, as the founders originally intended. The real reason for the 12th is the easier access to larger mounds of partisan bull****ery, and the overall importance of VP 'debates' goes to support the idea. I did find their cordiality endearing, though, I doubt the heads of the ticket will continue in that vein.

mwood · #10 10-03-2008, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

She specifically avoided answering the real tough questions that would have made McCain look bad. Thats not the way to do it. You don't just ignore a question and give an unrelated answer. That was also McCain's strategy in the first presidential debate. Palin is only saying what they want her to, they've got her pretty well trained it seems.

You'd have to be InSane to vote McCain.

If you want the US to keep failin' vote for Palin.

Too easy.

Reading the facts on the stuff McCain wants to do gives away all his shady tactics.

The real issue is that the rich need to be taxed more and the middle class needs a big boost.

Trying to buy $12,000 health insurance with a check for $5,000....now thats a bridge to nowhere.

I loved the part where Palin said her family is a "Middle Class" family. McCain thinks "rich" is 5+ million. How out of touch ARE these people?!

When you come up with a thought of your own get back to us.

MTI · #11 10-03-2008, 02:37 AM

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When you come up with a thought of your own get back to us.

Still trying to make friends in your own unique way.

DieselAddict · #12 10-03-2008, 02:39 AM

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Trying to buy $12,000 health insurance with a check for $5,000....now thats a bridge to nowhere.

It's worse than that. Remember this is a $5000 tax credit, not a check. Depending on your income, the tax credit will most likely amount to a few hundred bucks. But you'll lose that from the cancellation of the tax credit on the employer-sponsored insurance. If you're lucky enough to retain your employer-sponsored insurance, your expense will go up. If you lose your employer-sponsored insurance, you're screwed because you won't be able to buy a $12,000 policy with the few hundred bucks that you'll get from the $5000 tax credit. It's more than a bridge to nowhere. It's an insult to intelligence. Only a complete moron would think this plan is a good idea.

DieselAddict · #13 10-03-2008, 02:45 AM

Palin did do better than I expected, but it's still the same old GOP BS. Cut taxes mainly for the richest (yes I know they pay the most, but still, how does that help?), keep spending like drunken sailors, run up a huge deficit and devalue the dollar even further, accuse your opponent of not funding the troops when your running mate voted against the same bill, say you're for alternative energy but oppose every bill that would fund it, and then appear folksy and try win over voters with superb qualifications like being a hockey mom.

t walgamuth · #14 10-03-2008, 06:04 AM

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It's worse than that. Remember this is a $5000 tax credit, not a check. Depending on your income, the tax credit will most likely amount to a few hundred bucks. But you'll lose that from the cancellation of the tax credit on the employer-sponsored insurance. If you're lucky enough to retain your employer-sponsored insurance, your expense will go up. If you lose your employer-sponsored insurance, you're screwed because you won't be able to buy a $12,000 policy with the few hundred bucks that you'll get from the $5000 tax credit. It's more than a bridge to nowhere. It's an insult to intelligence. Only a complete moron would think this plan is a good idea.

exactly.

She did a nice job and did as trained to do....

But I agree...she did NOT answer the tough questions, and her immediate side step to speak on her percieved strong point...energy was pretty obvious. Some of the facts she spouted about what she has done in Alaska sound good unless you stop and think....repealing the gasoline tax....see, now I bet that is possible because of oil revinues flowing directly to the citizens. Thats a nice thing but here in Indiana we pay for our roads with gas taxes. Alaska has relatively few roads since the terrain makes them impossible in much of the state.

Lets face it, She has a great personality and has been a big shot of interest for the campaign overall, but she and mac are trying to paddle upstream in a tsunami of discontent with the horrible economy created by Republican policies.

What greater evidence is there than our current economic mess that the trickle down theory of economics is Voodoo Economics (as George hw Bush said when he was running agianst RRR in the primaries).

Anybody who says they believe that giving tax breaks to rich folks stimulates the economy is probably bare face lying....and for sure they are deluding themselves. Its an attractive lie though since we all want to believe it if we are the ones getting the tax break!

She did a nice job acting according to a script which has no substantive plusses to work with....same as Mac did in his debate with O.

Tom W

MS Fowler · #15 10-03-2008, 06:22 AM

DieselAddict wrote--
Cut taxes mainly for the richest (yes I know they pay the most, but still, how does that help?),

Your heart and your head are fighting each other.
You KNOW that tax cuts help those who actually PAY taxes,
You FEEL that is somehow not "fair".
It would seem that you have bought into the whole class warfare concept--pit the have-nots against the haves.
From there, it is only a short step to full-blown socialism, " From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" (You do recognize those words, I assume).
Make up your mind--
In my mind Socialism will be as big a disaster here as it has been everywhere it has been tried. Is there a Socialist State that actually has the freedoms we used to have in this country?