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Old 10-21-2008, 12:42 PM
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Repos beyond the pale, round the bend

What, are Repos trying to bury themselves for a few decades?!

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October 21, 2008
The Real Scandal
By BOB HERBERT

It never ends. The Republican Party never gets tired of spraying its poison across the American political landscape.

So there was a Republican congresswoman from Minnesota, Michele Bachmann, telling Chris Matthews on MSNBC that the press should start investigating members of the House and Senate to determine which ones are “pro-America or anti-America.”

Can a rancid Congressional committee be far behind? Leave it to a right-wing Republican to long for those sunny, bygone days of political witch-hunting.

Ms. Bachmann’s demented desire (“I would love to see an exposé like that”) is of a piece with the G.O.P.’s unrelenting effort to demonize its opponents, to characterize them as beyond the pale, different from ordinary patriotic Americans — and not just different, but dangerous, and even evil.

But the party is not content to stop there. Even better than demonizing opponents is the more powerful and direct act of taking the vote away from their opponents’ supporters. The Republican Party has made strenuous efforts in recent years to prevent Democrats from voting, and to prevent their votes from being properly counted once they’ve been cast.

Which brings me to the phony Acorn scandal.

John McCain, who placed his principles in a blind trust once the presidential race heated up, warned the country during the presidential debate last week that Acorn, which has been registering people to vote by the hundreds of thousands, was “on the verge of maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history.”

It turns out that a tiny percentage of these new registrations are bogus, with some of them carrying ludicrous names like Mickey Mouse. Republicans have tried to turn this into a mighty oak of a scandal, with Mr. McCain thundering at the debate that it “may be destroying the fabric of democracy.”

Please. The Times put the matter in perspective when it said in an editorial that Acorn needs to be more careful with some aspects of its voter-registration process. It needs to do a better job selecting canvassers, among other things.

“But,” the editorial added, “for all of the McCain campaign’s manufactured fury about vote theft (and similar claims from the Republican Party over the years) there is virtually no evidence — anywhere in the country, going back many elections — of people showing up at the polls and voting when they are not entitled to.”

Two important points need to be made here. First, the reckless attempt by Senator McCain, Sarah Palin and others to fan this into a major scandal has made Acorn the target of vandals and a wave of hate calls and e-mail. Acorn staff members have been threatened and sickening, murderous comments have been made about supporters of Barack Obama. (Senator Obama had nothing to do with Acorn’s voter-registration drives.)

Second, when it comes to voting, the real threat to democracy is the nonstop campaign by the G.O.P. and its supporters to disenfranchise American citizens who have every right to cast a ballot. We saw this in 2000. We saw it in 2004. And we’re seeing it again now.

In Montana, the Republican Party challenged the registrations of thousands of legitimate voters based on change-of-address information available from the Post Office. These specious challenges were made — surprise, surprise — in Democratic districts. Answering the challenges would have been a wholly unnecessary hardship for the voters, many of whom were students or members of the armed forces.

In the face of widespread public criticism (even the Republican lieutenant governor weighed in), the party backed off.

That sort of thing is widespread. In one politically crucial state after another — in Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, you name it — the G.O.P. has unleashed foot soldiers whose insidious mission is to make the voting process as difficult as possible — or, better yet, impossible — for citizens who are believed to favor Democrats.

For Senator McCain to flip reality on its head and point to an overwhelmingly legitimate voter-registration effort as a “threat to the fabric of democracy” is a breathtaking exercise in absurdity.

Miles Rapoport, a former Connecticut secretary of state who is now president of Demos, a public policy group, remarked on the irony of elected Republican officials deliberately attempting to thwart voting. Some years ago, he said, he “and all the other secretaries of state” would bemoan the lack of interest in voting, especially among the young and the poor.

Now, he said, with the explosion of voter registration and the heightened interest in the presidential campaign, you’d think officials “would welcome that, and encourage it, and even celebrate it.” Instead, he said, in so many cases, G.O.P. officials are “trying to pare down the lists.”

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That's just what we need, another committee to investigate more nonsense.
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Old 10-21-2008, 12:54 PM
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If congressional investigations actually solved problems, we'd be looking pretty good by now. People in Washington are really good and being very busy with all sorts of things without ever actually doing much of any real value.
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Keith Olbermann sometimes gets into histrionics with his 'special comments' feature, but this one is on the mark:

Real America

His writers and researchers are pretty good, IMO.
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Keith Olbermann sometimes gets into histrionics with his 'special comments' feature, but this one is on the mark:

Real America

His writers and researchers are pretty good, IMO.
He's trying to be as great as Limbaugh. I believe he will succeed.
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He's trying to be as great as Limbaugh. I believe he will succeed.
are you speaking of Flush Limbaugh?
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I'm no fan of Al Franken, but I really liked the title of his book, Rush Limbaugh Is A Big Fat Idiot.
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Keith Olbermann sometimes gets into histrionics with his 'special comments' feature, but this one is on the mark:

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His writers and researchers are pretty good, IMO.
Did you listen to NPR this morning? There was a great piece on Shepherd Smith, about how he was neutral, ect.....(who I don't watch, but know as an acquaintance through a colleague who was his neighbor growing up)

Other interesting facts gleaned from the interview: Olbermann is an ex sportscaster. They tried him last year on an actual news show and immediately put him back in his drooling corner.

Fox News is the highest rated news channel in the business, by a fair margin. This struck me as pretty weird, because it seems that we are about to elect a black Democrat for Pres. and the Republican party seems to be imploding (with the candidate bashing the lame duck, ect...)

I'm beginning to think there may be more to this Bradley theory....somebody's not telling the truth in those polls.
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I'm no fan of Al Franken, but I really liked the title of his book, Rush Limbaugh Is A Big Fat Idiot.

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I'm beginning to think there may be more to this Bradley theory....somebody's not telling the truth in those polls.
I think for sure if the Democrats put up anyone else who ran in the Dem primaries of 2000 or 2004, this election would be a landslide, and over months ago.
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I'm no fan of Al Franken, but I really liked the title of his book, Rush Limbaugh Is A Big Fat Idiot.
Franken's ONLY claim to fame is the result of putting Limbaugh's name on his book, W/o that name, no one would know Franken. ( Note the hatred of the left )
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I think for sure if the Democrats put up anyone else who ran in the Dem primaries of 2000 or 2004, this election would be a landslide, and over months ago.
OK, would you have preferred: Al Sharpton, Mosley-Braun or John Edwards as your personal odds-buster (and that is just 2004)
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Franken's ONLY claim to fame is the result of putting Limbaugh's name on his book, W/o that name, no one would know Franken. ( Note the hatred of the left )
I knew him as Stuart Smalley on SNL, and never knew he was in politics until he did the book thing.
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Franken's ONLY claim to fame is the result of putting Limbaugh's name on his book, W/o that name, no one would know Franken. ( Note the hatred of the left )
I thought his only claim to fame was having been on SNL. I liked him back then. He's a very funny guy until he starts talking about his political views. Then, suddenly, all of his natural humor seems to leave in the blink of an eye.

I loved the Stewart Smalley character.
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Better take him serious: He's going to be Sen. Smiley.

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