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MBlovr · #31 12-31-2008, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuan

With vinyl you have the full waveform, with some distortion of course. With a CD you have two points and the best approximation of what's in between the two points. Depending on the sampler chip and the algorithm of the period that could be a straight line or a slightly curved best guess. So if you have vocals or other stuff with lots of high frequency harmonics like trumpets or violins the original waveform is significantly altered with digital.

In the 80's and early 90's most multitrack recordings were still done via analog. They were mastered to digital later. That means they were record with all the distortion of analog and later that distortion was once again approximated during the mastering process. Of course that could be minimized with good equipment like good mixing boards and good reel to reel multitrack recorders, but still, one channel biased a little hot or a drunk studio intern could severely impact the recording.

Anyway in general, CD's are better for techno like stuff with heavy bass. Vinyl is better on vocals and acoustic instruments.

I don't know what the sampling rates are but if high enough it really shouldn't matter

TheDon · #32 12-31-2008, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI

The debates over "high fidelity" have been a staple since the "Mary Had a Little Lamb" recordings by Edison . . . frankly, if you're worried about sonic interpretation on most modern music, you're just not drinkin' enough . . .

$9.500 will get this little jewel:

62 lb with magnetic bearing (yes, it levitates) to isolate the 8mm thick platter from vibrations.

droooooool

Medmech · #33 12-31-2008, 06:55 PM

So Kuan do you think Kuan Jr. was imitating daddy's needle cleaning ritual except instead of using the extra fine oogkajooba hair stylus brush he used his Bob the builder hammer?

Kuan · #34 12-31-2008, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer

So Kuan do you think Kuan Jr. was imitating daddy's needle cleaning ritual except instead of using the extra fine oogkajooba hair stylus brush he used his Bob the builder hammer?

When all you have is a Bob the Builder hammer, everything looks like a nail.

BENZ-LGB · #35 12-31-2008, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuan

Wife and kid are gone. I pick out two albums to go with my steak and wine and find out...

THE KID BUSTED MY SUMIKO BLUE POINT SPECIAL NEEDLE!

Always remember that your kid will get to pick your retirement home. Be nice to him...

Kuan · #36 12-31-2008, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BENZ-LGB

Always remember that your kid will get to pick your retirement home. Be nice to him...

He's not 18 yet. The way things are going I'll need to be in one before he's of legal age.

LaRondo · #37 12-31-2008, 09:18 PM

That's a real bummer, I can imagine your pain. What an inopportune moment, not that I wanted to suggest that there is ever a good time for such an unholy finding, when trying to play a record.

This is how playing vinyl records came to sudden end for me, when somehow the diamond tip on the (back then) $800 Yamaha whatever it was, vanished.

That SME 3012 I had on the Micro Seiki RX1500 was just too light, you could blow it across the groove from more than 2 yards distance.

Based on the circumtance, I decided to throw my money at CD's and qualified players.

It is what it is. You can start with a good CD player and connect it to your system, or even try a DVD player, which could give you a higher bitrate when reading discs.

I second Marty's advice as an immediate pain killer.

Chris Bell · #38 12-31-2008, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt L

This does not follow. These digital samples are not created by playing an actual instrument across its entire range and recording it. They are created by playing just a few notes, noting the composition of the signal (whether through Fourier analysis or Wavelet analysis or something else) and then extrapolating to get the entire range. And this doesn't even get into the fact that the same frequency can be generated MANY ways on an actual instrument.

There is nothing in this example which applies to the vinyl/CD accuracy debate.

10Khz? Where does this come from? And interpolation doesn't matter if the effects are beyond the range of your hearing. 22Khz is apparently well beyond mine.

So...Where do MP3 players fit in here. Don't they basically sample a sample?

LUVMBDiesels · #39 12-31-2008, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Bell

So...Where do MP3 players fit in here. Don't they basically sample a sample?

When analog information is converted to digital it loses information.
MP3 players compress the digital file losing even more information.

The best way to listen to music is on a turntable (all the analog informaiton is there) on a nice tube driven amplifier as transistors also effect the music.

I had a beautiful set of Marantz turntable preamp and amplifier all vintage stuff from the 1960's

I made a BIG HUGE CRAZY mistake in 1986 when I bought a high end (at the time) CD player. I GAVE ALL MY RECORDS AND THE HI FI AWAY!

After years of kicking myself in the @ss I found ebay.
Now I have the same turntable but a fairly decent Kenwood amp from the late 1970's

I also have the old CD player, which still works, attached to a high watt Yamaha integrated amp.

LaRondo · #40 12-31-2008, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LUVMBDiesels

When analog information is converted to digital it loses information.
MP3 players compress the digital file losing even more information.

The best way to listen to music is on a turntable (all the analog informaiton is there) on a nice tube driven amplifier as transistors also effect the music.

I had a beautiful set of Marantz turntable preamp and amplifier all vintage stuff from the 1960's

I made a BIG HUGE CRAZY mistake in 1986 when I bought a high end (at the time) CD player. I GAVE ALL MY RECORDS AND THE HI FI AWAY!

After years of kicking myself in the @ss I found ebay.
Now I have the same turntable but a fairly decent Kenwood amp from the late 1970's

I also have the old CD player, which still works, attached to a high watt Yamaha integrated amp.

Marantz makes some good CD players as well. One can get into it for $500 or less.

I made a similar mistake with I call the 1st generation of my LP's. I sold them on a single day at a swap meet for about an apple and an egg.

Many of the records are not available anymore, on neither media.

Funny though, how I was able to recover many of the vinyl records, when the stores where selling them cheap, because the Compact Disc was moving in.

Chris Bell · #41 12-31-2008, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by LUVMBDiesels

When analog information is converted to digital it loses information.
MP3 players compress the digital file losing even more information.

The best way to listen to music is on a turntable (all the analog informaiton is there) on a nice tube driven amplifier as transistors also effect the music.

I had a beautiful set of Marantz turntable preamp and amplifier all vintage stuff from the 1960's

I made a BIG HUGE CRAZY mistake in 1986 when I bought a high end (at the time) CD player. I GAVE ALL MY RECORDS AND THE HI FI AWAY!

After years of kicking myself in the @ss I found ebay.
Now I have the same turntable but a fairly decent Kenwood amp from the late 1970's

I also have the old CD player, which still works, attached to a high watt Yamaha integrated amp.

Funny you should mention that...I've been hunting Ebay and craigslist for a good Marantz 2285B or seperates. I love that late 70's Marantz equipment, they sound great and look better. I would like to buy a good Marantz tube amp. But there's just not that many of them around and the one's I have seen are all way out of my price range.

johnathan1 · #42 01-01-2009, 12:22 AM

True audiophiles know that vinyl is the best recording medium.

LaRondo · #43 01-01-2009, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by johnathan1

True audiophiles know that vinyl is the best recording medium.

I wouldn't say it is the best. Depending on the level of quality, it has properties preferred by some, while other prefer the properties of high quality DDD recordings.

Usually, before vinyl gets pressed, the recording is captured on tape.
Here it depends how good the musicians are, to get it right the first time, as with everytime the tape runs over the heads, abraision will reduce the quality.

Ofcourse, you can do direct cut recording, but that certainly is extremely tidious and way too costly for commercial purposes.

Matt L · #44 01-01-2009, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by LUVMBDiesels

When analog information is converted to digital it loses information.

This falls under the mathematical information theory, which is a fairly well-understood area. There is an easily-stated relationship between bit-rate and signal-to-noise ratio. This was established in the late 40's by Shannon and Weaver in their famous book, "The Mathematical Theory of Communication."

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MP3 players compress the digital file losing even more information.

Most of the time. There are lossless compression methods that some "MP3" players can handle. These work by removing redundancy. I don't know the algorithm used, but if it isn't LZ, it's something similar.

Monomer · #45 01-01-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuan

It's not very practical. You can recognize the "digital" canons on Telarc's 1812 release by the pit in the record. If you didn't know better you'd think it was damaged.

my 400 deep collection sounds just fine.

Usually only truly good releases will make it to vinyl; as pressing is $$ compared to a digital release.

.wav is the only way to go for digital recording. .mp3 is only popular because of little space the compressed file takes up. With high capacity solid state drives and more power than ever before make .mp3 obsolete.

I do plan on using a DVS system in the future, but only for house parties. Carrying a crate of a couple hundred records gets to be back breaking.

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