This link from Pravda says that there is great evidence that were are entering a new Ice Age. Personally, GW is better for the human species than an Ice Age.

http://english.pravda.ru/science/earth/106922-earth_ice_age-0

So do you line up all the MMGW scientists on one line, and the Ice Age scientists on another line and let them shoot it out? Or do we simply fund both programs to avert the coming crisis?

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If you believe in evolution, you will easily see that neither is any good for us.

I thought the story was that MMGW was causing the Ice Age, unless it gets warmer then we can disregard the first part. It's the environmental equivalent to Haliburton.

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That means it is Bush's fault.

I vote we shoot all of them, then spend the saved monies on infrastructure...

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Let Nugent lead one camp, Tred Barta another, and the goof of survivor man the third camp of lawyers- and all that come out alive will be banished to Guam.

Global tempratures rise above a certin point, ocean currents change.

Ocean currnets change and no longer carry warmer waters north,
northern land masses freeze.

You would think that people who claim to know that global warming is a fraud would at least know the basic concept.

I love talking to that kind, they know it all untill you actually start talking about it.

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Of course you have irrefutable proof that the global temperature rise has caused the shift in ocean currents. Causation or coincidence?

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How about that we finally agree nature is uncontrollable and deal with what we get?

If your waiting for irrefutable proof.
Then I guess you will have to wait untill it starts to happen.
But then it would be too late to do anyting about it.

Kinda like wondering if you will die in a car accident.
While continuing to drink and drive.

Just doesn't seem like a good strategy.
Surley there is a better answer.

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Sure. Wait for reasonable proof, not irrefutable proof. I think we are almost there.

The GCC theories are mostly sound and testable. Remember that a theory may appear sound given present knowledge, but later proven wrong, given later knowledge. It takes time to accumulate appropriate results in order to demonstrate fidelity or to falsify a particular theory.

It is human nature to be impatient for a definitive answer. Science rarely provides clean, definitive answers even to simple problems ("simple" in the sense of few variables). Few things in nature are as complex as the organic planetary processes of Earth. It is reasonable and appropriate to maintain skepticism. I don't mean one-way skepticism.

One should be skeptical of what one DOESN'T believe -- but that is easy. The trick is not to reject what one doesn't believe simply because one doesn't believe it. It is far more difficult to maintain skepticism in regards to what one DOES believe to be true. Does this mean one should regard all theories as equally valid?

Of course not! We have the ability to reason. And use it, we should. But as has been demonstrated since time immemorial, human reason alone is insufficient for predictive description of natural phenomena.

Of course my request for " irrefutable proof" was a rhetorical device.
I simply do not want to join all the other Lemmings in their mad rush off the cliff.
I also question whether we can affect climate change by spending huge sums of money, or if the expenditures are simple a way some people have devised to transfer money from my pocket to their pocket.
For instance, IF ( note the IF), natural events casue 95% of climate change, will our spending of vast sumes of $$ have any real effect, even if we totalyy eliminate the (assumed) 5% we might contribute?

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Reminds me of a link I sent to the Bot a few weeks ago.

http://www.wimp.com/scienceidea/

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There are a lot of business that stand to loose substancial amounts of revenue around this idea.

Usually anyone who stands to gain or lose from " scientific " research will be biased.

Both sides have a bias, not just one.

Extream liberal and conservative people have made this issue into a political argument.
There is no reason for this.

Are we harming the planet we live on ? Undoubtably !
Do we need to do what we are doing ? No.
Is there a way we can do what we want without harming the environment ? Yes.

There are better answsers to our problems.
We should use them.

I personally dont think there has been much real progress in north america since the
american indians were the stewards of this land.

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If we are actually going into another ice age, we'll outlive it before it gets too cold to house life.

Remember, there was a "mini ice age" in the 1400s or 1600s..or sometime long ago, and people survived with much less than we have today.

I think humanity can deal with a slight cooling much better than a warming..less diseases is one thing that comes to mind.

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