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Old 01-23-2009, 09:04 AM
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He did not pay; his employer paid him extra to compensate for the extra taxes.
If my employer decides to give me a $5000 bonus, they check I get is somewhat less, say about $3300. This is because they with held the taxes. If they gave me a $5000 check for the bonus, and then another $2000 check for the taxes, it would approximate what Geithner rec'd.
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Your post was not clear to me, I took it to mean the HE paid extra taxes to the Govt to cover his IMF income. And I haven't read into what actually occurred.
If the IMF paid him "extra" to cover his "extra taxes", the extra reimbursement is also subject to income and self-employment tax. So, if the boss gives you 5,000 and then another 2,000 "for the taxes", you have 7,000 of taxable income. I'm sure you agree with that.

Regardless, I still give him a pass. Probably an innocent mistake. I wouldn't assume that his position in the Fed. Reserve gives him any more expertise or interest in the Code than anyone else.

I may be wrong, but I'll be surprised if his name is added to the Confirmation Hall of Shame, including Zoe Baird, Kimba Wood, Clement Hainsworth, and "Judge Mediocracy", G Harold Carswell , to name just a recent few.
And I'll live with it....

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Old 01-23-2009, 01:49 PM
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USA Today had a slightly different version of the story. Reported that the statute of limitations ran out on the 01 and 02 years, so he paid no taxes for those years. Finally paid the other years only after being called out. Innocent mistake by someone who is supposed to be the financial savior, highly doubtful. Hell no I don't want him in that position. Shameful, but then again, would I expect any less out of an elected official?
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Just another way of Obama telling the U.S. "Hey, just another crooked bastard in my cabinet, so get used to it you sheeple."
The more we get dumbed down with more crooked politicians, the more the norm it will be, plus nobody better dare question anything the great Barak Hussein Obamassiah does otherwise the secret police may pay you a visit, or worse, Oprah may condemn you on national tele'.

That kid's like a kid in an executive order candy store.

I hope his pen runs out of ink while we still have individual rights.
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...I hope his pen runs out of ink while we still have individual rights.
I would love to see you expound on that thought. How, exactly, has Obama done anything to impair individual rights?
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I would love to see you expound on that thought. How, exactly, has Obama done anything to impair individual rights?
Okay, what about his senate voting record on the rights of the unborn?
How is supporting measures that rip unborn babies to shreads and tearing them limb from limb and sucking them into a bucket supporting an individual right? Huh?
Where is the individual right for those children?

What about his senate voting record on the rights for individuals to keep and bear arms?

His anti gun proposals are so Clintonesque with words like "Common sense" gun measures.
Common sense gun measures masked as great ways to surb crime but are realy aimed at banning guns and ammunition, bankrupting firearms manufacturers and making them succeptible to frivolous lawsuits.

How about his thought on the fairness doctrine, and how that pertains to the first amendment. Dude, wake up.

To tell you the truth it's really a waste of my time to argue facts with you liberals, you have the blinders on and nothing will convince you of the facts if it punched you in the face.
Everything is a freaking argument on this forum with no solutions other than name calling and self serving, immature third grade type childish jabs.
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Clinging to Religion and Guns
Guns and God. This is what it may very well come down to in November 2008. Senators Obama and Biden are struggling to act as though their past record as anti-gun politicians is irrelevant. On the campaign trail in Pennsylvania, Obama felt compelled to say "If you’ve got a gun in your house, I’m not taking it." When he saw skeptics in the crowd, he began pandering and vacillating. "Even if I want to take them away, I don’t have the votes in Congress. This can’t be the reason not to vote for me. Can everyone hear me in the back? I see a couple of sportsmen back there. I’m not going to take away your guns."

Old news, perhaps, but an examination shows Barak Obama's voting record and his proposals on gun control to be only exceeded by that of his partner, Joe Biden. If Obama had the same influence and length of time in office as Biden, his history on gun control might be even more appalling.

On Jan 15, 2008, at the Democratic debate in Las Vegas, when queried about licensing and registering gun owners as President, Obama stated: "I don't think that we can get that done. But what we can do is to provide just some common sense enforcement. The efforts by law enforcement to obtain the information required to trace back guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers. As president, I intend to make it happen."

Regarding a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois, Barak Obama claimed "No, my writing wasn't on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all out ban on handguns."

Actually, Obama's views were clear on a 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit group, Independent Voters of Illinois, asked these simple, direct questions, Obama's answers are in bold:

35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.

Obama's presidential campaign claims a staffer filled out these questionnaires, not Senator Obama. "There are several answers that didn't reflect his views then or now. He may have jotted some notes on the front page of the questionnaire, but some answers didn't reflect his views," they say. Yet now he makes it clear that he knows he does not have the votes in Congress to do just that. Men who have no intentions of disarming the populace have no need to examine whether they have the political power to do so.

In a 2004 survey conducted by the Chicago Tribune of Democratic primary candidates for the U.S. Senate, Barak Obama said he opposed allowing ordinary citizens to carry concealed weapons and that a federal law banning concealed carry legislation except for law enforcement is needed. Obama elaborated, "National legislation will prevent other states' flawed concealed weapons laws from threatening the safety of Illinois residents." But there is more.......

From the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999:
"Sweeping federal gun control legislation proposed by Sen. Barack Obama (D-13th) would increase the penalties on gun runners who are flooding Chicago's streets with illegal weapons.

At an anti-gun rally held at the Park Manor Christian Church, 600 E. 73rd St., headed by the Rev. James Demus, Obama also said he's backing a resolution being introduced into the City Council by Alds. Toni Preckwinkle (4th), Ted Thomas (15th), Leslie Hairston (5th) to call for a "shot-free" millennium celebration.

Obama outlined his anti-gun plan that includes increased penalties for the interstate transportation of firearms. The maximum penalty now for bringing a gun across the border is 10 years in prison. Obama is proposing to make it a felony for a gun owner whose firearm was stolen from his residence which causes harm to another person if that weapon was not securely stored in that home.

He's proposing restricting gun purchases to one weapon a month and banning the sale of firearms at gun shows except for "antique" weapons. Obama is also proposing increasing the licensing fee to obtain a federal firearms license.

He's also seeking a ban on police agencies from reselling their used weapons even if those funds are used to buy more state-of-the-art weapons for their agencies. Obama wants only those over 21 who've passed a basic course to be able to buy or own a firearm.

He's proposing that all federally licensed gun dealers sell firearms in a storefront and not from their homes while banning their business from being within five miles of a school or a park. He's also banning the sale of 'junk" handguns like the popular Saturday Night Specials.

Obama is requiring that all people working at a gun dealer undergo a criminal background check. He's also asking that gun manufacturers be required to develop safety measures that permit only the original owner of the firearm to operate the weapon purchased.

Additionally, he wants an increase of the funds for schools to teach anger management skills for youth between the ages of 5-13. Obama is also seeking to increase the federal taxes by 500 percent on the sale of firearm, ammunition [sic] -- weapons he says are most commonly used in firearm deaths."
When questioned by the Chicago Tribune in 2007 regarding Heller v District of Columbia, Obama stated the "DC handgun law is constitutional."

A quick synopsis from CNN regarding Obama's record on gun control:
"Voted against a 2005 law prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers stemming from acts committed by others using their products.
Supports instant criminal background checks on people purchasing guns and believes law should apply to gun sales at gun shows. Calls for permanently reinstating assault weapons ban. Voted for 2005 amendment placing restrictions on rifle ammunition that is "designed or marketed" to be armor-piercing. Supports making guns childproof and voted for 2005 child safety lock amendment. Would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which allows the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to share data on history of sales and transfers of firearms used in crimes only with federal agencies for national security purposes, or prosecutors needing it for an ongoing criminal investigation or prosecution. Regarding the Supreme Court case District of Columbia v. Heller, Obama did not sign a friend-of-the-court brief that urged the Supreme Court to overturn the District of Columbia gun ban. At a debate, when asked about case, Obama said he believes "that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right." Voted for 2006 amendment prohibiting confiscation of firearms from private citizens, particularly during times of crisis or emergency."
The Washington Times noted:
"In 2000, for example, the NRA mounted a massive direct-mail and TV/radio campaign against Mr. Gore's candidacy and his gun control voting record. Voter exit polls in that election showed that about 48 percent of all voters owned guns that year, up from 37 percent in 1996."
How many Americans own guns in 2008? How many American carry concealed for self defense in 2008? As the 2008 election heats up, it is incumbent on gun owners to avail themselves and others with the facts concerning the greatest threat to gun ownership ever to close in on the White House. Senator Obama said "This can’t be the reason not to vote for me. Can everyone hear me in the back?"

Yeah, we can hear you in the back Senator. These are damned good reasons not to vote for you. Gun owners have the power to keep Barak Obama and Joe Biden out of the oval office and the power to protect our freedoms. It's time for us to again rise up and be heard.

"If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." — Winston Churchill
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Okay, what about his senate voting record on the rights of the unborn?...
That's a fair argument, although I'm sure that many would see an expansion of the right to choose as an expansion of individual liberty. I'm not saying that Obama is right on this issue, but I didn't see his position as being anti-liberty.
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How is supporting measures that rip unborn babies to shreads and tearing them limb from limb and sucking them into a bucket supporting an individual right? Huh?
Why did you feel the need for the "Huh"? Kind of rude, don't you think?
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Where is the individual right for those children?
Their rights have been subordinated to the rights of their mothers. I'm not saying I agree with it, but I don't see Obama's position on that issue as being anti-liberty.
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What about his senate voting record on the rights for individuals to keep and bear arms?

His anti gun proposals are so Clintonesque with words like "Common sense" gun measures.
Common sense gun measures masked as great ways to surb crime but are realy aimed at banning guns and ammunition, bankrupting firearms manufacturers and making them succeptible to frivolous lawsuits.
You might know of specific votes on that issue that I missed, but Obama is on your side with respect to the 2d Amendment. He took heat from the left for saying that he agrees that the 2d Amendment confers individual rights. As for frivolous lawsuits, you simply have no idea what you are talking about. You have apparently bought into the insurance industry propaganda on taht issue.
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How about his thought on the fairness doctrine, and how that pertains to the first amendment.
I don't know what your concept of the fairness doctrine is, so it's hard for me to respond. Most of what I've seen recently on the fairness doctrine have been scare tactics from the right.
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Dude, don't be so rude.
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To tell you the truth it's really a waste of my time to argue facts with you liberals, you have the blinders on and nothing will convince you of the facts if it punched you in the face.
Everything is a freaking argument on this forum with no solutions other than name calling and self serving, immature third grade type childish jabs.
What an unbelievable load of crap that is.

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Clinging to Religion and Guns
Guns and God. This is what it may very well come down to in November 2008. Senators Obama and Biden are struggling to act as though their past record as anti-gun politicians is irrelevant. On the campaign trail in Pennsylvania, Obama felt compelled to say "If you’ve got a gun in your house, I’m not taking it." When he saw skeptics in the crowd, he began pandering and vacillating. "Even if I want to take them away, I don’t have the votes in Congress. This can’t be the reason not to vote for me. Can everyone hear me in the back? I see a couple of sportsmen back there. I’m not going to take away your guns."

Old news, perhaps, but an examination shows Barak Obama's voting record and his proposals on gun control to be only exceeded by that of his partner, Joe Biden. If Obama had the same influence and length of time in office as Biden, his history on gun control might be even more appalling.

On Jan 15, 2008, at the Democratic debate in Las Vegas, when queried about licensing and registering gun owners as President, Obama stated: "I don't think that we can get that done. But what we can do is to provide just some common sense enforcement. The efforts by law enforcement to obtain the information required to trace back guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers. As president, I intend to make it happen."

Regarding a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois, Barak Obama claimed "No, my writing wasn't on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all out ban on handguns."

Actually, Obama's views were clear on a 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit group, Independent Voters of Illinois, asked these simple, direct questions, Obama's answers are in bold:

35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.

Obama's presidential campaign claims a staffer filled out these questionnaires, not Senator Obama. "There are several answers that didn't reflect his views then or now. He may have jotted some notes on the front page of the questionnaire, but some answers didn't reflect his views," they say. Yet now he makes it clear that he knows he does not have the votes in Congress to do just that. Men who have no intentions of disarming the populace have no need to examine whether they have the political power to do so.

In a 2004 survey conducted by the Chicago Tribune of Democratic primary candidates for the U.S. Senate, Barak Obama said he opposed allowing ordinary citizens to carry concealed weapons and that a federal law banning concealed carry legislation except for law enforcement is needed. Obama elaborated, "National legislation will prevent other states' flawed concealed weapons laws from threatening the safety of Illinois residents." But there is more.......

From the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999:
"Sweeping federal gun control legislation proposed by Sen. Barack Obama (D-13th) would increase the penalties on gun runners who are flooding Chicago's streets with illegal weapons.

At an anti-gun rally held at the Park Manor Christian Church, 600 E. 73rd St., headed by the Rev. James Demus, Obama also said he's backing a resolution being introduced into the City Council by Alds. Toni Preckwinkle (4th), Ted Thomas (15th), Leslie Hairston (5th) to call for a "shot-free" millennium celebration.

Obama outlined his anti-gun plan that includes increased penalties for the interstate transportation of firearms. The maximum penalty now for bringing a gun across the border is 10 years in prison. Obama is proposing to make it a felony for a gun owner whose firearm was stolen from his residence which causes harm to another person if that weapon was not securely stored in that home.

He's proposing restricting gun purchases to one weapon a month and banning the sale of firearms at gun shows except for "antique" weapons. Obama is also proposing increasing the licensing fee to obtain a federal firearms license.

He's also seeking a ban on police agencies from reselling their used weapons even if those funds are used to buy more state-of-the-art weapons for their agencies. Obama wants only those over 21 who've passed a basic course to be able to buy or own a firearm.

He's proposing that all federally licensed gun dealers sell firearms in a storefront and not from their homes while banning their business from being within five miles of a school or a park. He's also banning the sale of 'junk" handguns like the popular Saturday Night Specials.

Obama is requiring that all people working at a gun dealer undergo a criminal background check. He's also asking that gun manufacturers be required to develop safety measures that permit only the original owner of the firearm to operate the weapon purchased.

Additionally, he wants an increase of the funds for schools to teach anger management skills for youth between the ages of 5-13. Obama is also seeking to increase the federal taxes by 500 percent on the sale of firearm, ammunition [sic] -- weapons he says are most commonly used in firearm deaths."
When questioned by the Chicago Tribune in 2007 regarding Heller v District of Columbia, Obama stated the "DC handgun law is constitutional."

A quick synopsis from CNN regarding Obama's record on gun control:
"Voted against a 2005 law prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers stemming from acts committed by others using their products.
Supports instant criminal background checks on people purchasing guns and believes law should apply to gun sales at gun shows. Calls for permanently reinstating assault weapons ban. Voted for 2005 amendment placing restrictions on rifle ammunition that is "designed or marketed" to be armor-piercing. Supports making guns childproof and voted for 2005 child safety lock amendment. Would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which allows the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to share data on history of sales and transfers of firearms used in crimes only with federal agencies for national security purposes, or prosecutors needing it for an ongoing criminal investigation or prosecution. Regarding the Supreme Court case District of Columbia v. Heller, Obama did not sign a friend-of-the-court brief that urged the Supreme Court to overturn the District of Columbia gun ban. At a debate, when asked about case, Obama said he believes "that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right." Voted for 2006 amendment prohibiting confiscation of firearms from private citizens, particularly during times of crisis or emergency."
The Washington Times noted:
"In 2000, for example, the NRA mounted a massive direct-mail and TV/radio campaign against Mr. Gore's candidacy and his gun control voting record. Voter exit polls in that election showed that about 48 percent of all voters owned guns that year, up from 37 percent in 1996."
How many Americans own guns in 2008? How many American carry concealed for self defense in 2008? As the 2008 election heats up, it is incumbent on gun owners to avail themselves and others with the facts concerning the greatest threat to gun ownership ever to close in on the White House. Senator Obama said "This can’t be the reason not to vote for me. Can everyone hear me in the back?"

Yeah, we can hear you in the back Senator. These are damned good reasons not to vote for you. Gun owners have the power to keep Barak Obama and Joe Biden out of the oval office and the power to protect our freedoms. It's time for us to again rise up and be heard.

"If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." — Winston Churchill
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I don't see how you get from those facts to the conclusion that Obama is going to take away all of our individual rights. It's not clear to me that he is anti-gun at all, although I have not made a study of his positions on that issue. If the article you posted is the best evidence against him, then I'd say that you've got a weak case.
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Dude, you need to grow a thicker skin for one thing.
This is the internet by golly.

How about "Let's agree to disagree."

Kumbay-freaking-ya!!!!

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Dude, you need to grow a thicker skin for one thing.
This is the internet by golly.

How about "Let's agree to disagree."

Kumbay-freaking-ya!!!!

That whole civility thing is dependent on who's ox is being gored.
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Just another way of Obama telling the U.S. "Hey, just another crooked bastard in my cabinet, so get used to it you sheeple."
The more we get dumbed down with more crooked politicians, the more the norm it will be, plus nobody better dare question anything the great Barak Hussein Obamassiah does otherwise the secret police may pay you a visit, or worse, Oprah may condemn you on national tele'.

That kid's like a kid in an executive order candy store.

I hope his pen runs out of ink while we still have individual rights.
So you are predicting he will act just like GWB?
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Dude, you need to grow a thicker skin for one thing...
Dude, you need to quit talking down to people.
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...How about "Let's agree to disagree."...
Looks like you're the one with thin skin. I asked you a question. you gave a good answer, some of which I agreed with. So, I don't see why we should agree to disagree, unless the conversation is upsetting you.
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