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With 1/3rd of the replies in the thread . . . I think it's safe to assume BodhiBenz1987 has some opinions on this . . .

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Old 01-29-2009, 07:26 PM
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With 1/3rd of the replies in the thread . . . I think it's safe to assume BodhiBenz1987 has some opinions on this . . .
I'm mad at the world today. Sorry.
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Well, I've been doing a fantastic job at my workplace, and my company is failing rapidly. So unless you have an inside track to every company on Wall Street, how do you know all these guys have been doing a crappy job? I'm sure some of them are ... heck, truth be told, most people in every industry do a crappy job. But the fact that their companies are doing lousy doesn't mean they're doing a crappy job.

I'm not at all against the thought that these companies should ax some of these bonuses ... I mean, it makes business sense to cut back on such things when losses are piling up. I'm just saying don't criticize people for wanting those bonuses or feeling angry that they aren't getting them. They aren't any more selfish than all the "working class" people we've collectively glued a ridiculous halo over. I think everybody has a right to feel a little sorry for themselves, as well as kick themselves, but we shouldn't just kick one sector of the class-spectrum while patting the other on the shoulder.
Do you realize that you are the one that is bringing the class aspect into this?
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Old 01-29-2009, 07:50 PM
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Do you realize that you are the one that is bringing the class aspect into this?
Well, to Obama's credit he has said on other occasions that this recession is everybody's fault. Fair enough. But there's no question that in general, people like to spit on big, bad corporations (banks, oil companies, whatever) for ruining our lives. I just think people overfocus on odd things .. great example is the mandate in the no-go automotive bailout package that automakers had to get rid of their private jets. Petty. Whatever, I probably have no idea what I'm talking about ... my brain lives generally on another planet most days.
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Old 01-29-2009, 09:12 PM
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Its all hot air. Wall Street won't listen until they come begging for some more cheap money from Uncle Sam, and old Sam says GFY.


I look forward to that day, and seeing those fat cats broke and out of jobs. I also look forward to the good companies that will spring up to replace the rotting old ones. Capitalism at its finest.
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Old 01-29-2009, 09:26 PM
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Well they deserve it as much as working class people deserve their pensions. It's something they were told they would get, and expected to get, so why shouldn't they expect to collect it? Of course, if we want the economy to turn around, they better accept the fact that they can't ... but the same should be said for a lot of the pension plans that are killing corporations, too.
Uh they supposed to get bonus's when their company succeeds not when they suck the whole economy down a rat hole.
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Old 01-29-2009, 09:32 PM
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not when they suck the whole economy down a rat hole.
... and there it is. The aforementioned maniacal blame-slinging. Beautiful.
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[QUOTE=BodhiBenz1987;2094675]Well, I've been doing a fantastic job at my workplace, and my company is failing rapidly. So unless you have an inside track to every company on Wall Street, how do you know all these guys have been doing a crappy job? I'm sure some of them are ... heck, truth be told, most people in every industry do a crappy job. QUOTE]

You must work for a crappy company if thats how you see things. I sure couldn't say that about the people I work with. As far as I am concerned the people I work with are extraordinarly smart, hard working, contientous and way underpaid compared to the clowns on wall street who I guarentee couldn't begin to do what we do in our business. I am friends with the guy who runs our division and I pretty sure that he makes in the millions and I don't begrudge one penny he makes.
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... and there it is. The aforementioned maniacal blame-slinging. Beautiful.
Yeah you are right what we need to do is give these guys more bonus's. That will fix things. Wow I was worried that we were in real trouble but with a simple solution like that we should be out of the woods in no time at all.
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You must work for a crappy company if thats how you see things. I sure couldn't say that about the people I work with. As far as I am concerned the people I work with are extraordinarly smart, hard working, contientous and way underpaid compared to the clowns on wall street who I guarentee couldn't begin to do what we do in our business. I am friends with the guy who runs our division and I pretty sure that he makes in the millions and I don't begrudge one penny he makes.
I didn't say MY co-workers do a crappy job (although some of them don't try as hard as others). I just said a lot of people do. "Crappy" isn't really the right word, I was being overdramatic ... but a lot of people put in a little less than they should, because heck, that approach has worked for a lot of people for years. What I have to question in your statement is, how do you know what the "clowns" on Wall Street are like? I'm sure a lot of them are nitwits, but I'm sure a lot are intelligent people who are doing their jobs and are suffering because of the mistakes of others (both above them and below them). I don't really know ... but I also don't just assume they're all jerks, any more than the people at my company are. That was my whole point ... a company's failure isn't always reflective of the work of its various staff. I work extremely hard, and so do many of my co-workers, but our company is failing (it's a newspaper, if that helps explain anything). So I have to think that there are other failing companies with plenty of hard-working, intelligent people, too.
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You must work for a crappy company if thats how you see things. I sure couldn't say that about the people I work with. As far as I am concerned the people I work with are extraordinarly smart, hard working, contientous and way underpaid compared to the clowns on wall street who I guarentee couldn't begin to do what we do in our business. I am friends with the guy who runs our division and I pretty sure that he makes in the millions and I don't begrudge one penny he makes.
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Yeah you are right what we need to do is give these guys more bonus's. That will fix things. Wow I was worried that we were in real trouble but with a simple solution like that we should be out of the woods in no time at all.
I actually said at one point that I have no problem with cutting the bonuses. My problem is with people pinning the downfall of the country on said bonuses, and crying out about how all this big, bad Wall Street jerks don't deserve their bonuses. Sure, they shouldn't get them at this point, but only from a business standpoint. I never said they should get them. I just said they shouldn't be chained up and burned to death.
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Well they deserve it as much as working class people deserve their pensions. It's something they were told they would get, and expected to get, so why shouldn't they expect to collect it? Of course, if we want the economy to turn around, they better accept the fact that they can't ... but the same should be said for a lot of the pension plans that are killing corporations, too.
Bodhi, I think there's a difference. The pensions can get scaled down and you don't get them after working for one year. The performance bonuses are predicated on PERFORMANCE if there' ain't none, you're not supposed to get none!

But the Human Resource pimps allow that and are in collusion.
So the hourly and salaried workers do their 30 years and watch their benefits erode. But no one ever makes execs give their money back.

The only reason John Thane apologized for spending a million decorating his office and paid it back, is because he looked so bad no one would hire hiom, SO HE COULDN'T GET MORE MORE MORE!

At a minimum, a pension requires five years' service separate from any bonus. I see a big difference. Besides, it can evaporate when the company goes under, even if it's insured.
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Well put.
I think you guys missed my point entirely and severely. Which is forgivable, because I don't even make sense to myself. Is there an emoticon drowning itself in a partially frozen lake near the highway? Probably ... but I'm too lazy to find it.
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I just said they shouldn't be chained up and burned to death.

What's wrong with that??

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