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Old 01-31-2009, 01:59 PM
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hey Brian?
BAD SIR BRIAN BOTANY

by A.A.Milne

Sir Brian had a battleaxe with great big knobs on.
He went among the villagers and blipped them on the head.
On Wednesday and on Saturday,
Especially on the latter day,
He called on all the cottages and this is what he said:


"I am Sir Brian!" (Ting-ling!)
"I am Sir Brian!" (Rat-tat!)
"I am Sir Brian,
"As bold as a lion!
"Take that, and that, and that!"


Sir Brian had a pair of boots with great big spurs on;.
A fighting pair of which he was particularly fond.
On Tuesday and on Friday,
Just to make the street look tidy,
He'd collect the passing villagers and kick them in the pond.


"I am Sir Brian!" (Sper-lash!)
"I am Sir Brian!" (Sper-losh!)
"I am Sir Brian,
"As bold as a Lion!
"Is anyone else for a wash?"


Sir Brian woke one morning and he couldn't find his battleaxe.
He walked into the village in his second pair of boots.
He had gone a hundred paces
When the street was full of faces
And the villagers were round him with ironical salutes.


"You are Sir Brian? My, my.
"You are Sir Brian? Dear, dear.
"You are Sir Brian
"As bold as a lion?
"Delighted to meet you here!"


Sir Brian went a journey and he found a lot of duckweed.
They pulled him out and dried him and they blipped him on the head.
They took him by the breeches
And they hurled him into ditches
And they pushed him under waterfalls and this is what they said:


"You are Sir Brian -- don't laugh!
"You are Sir Brian -- don't cry!
"You are Sir Brian
"As bold as a lion --
"Sir Brian the Lion, goodbye!"


Sir Brian struggled home again and chopped up his battleaxe.
Sir Brian took his fighting boots and threw them in the fire.
He is quite a different person
Now he hasn't got his spurs on,
And he goes about the village as B. Botany, Esquire.



"I am Sir Brian? Oh, no!
"I am Sir Brian? Who's he?
"I haven't any title, I'm Botany;
"Plain Mr. Botany (B.)

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Old 01-31-2009, 10:24 PM
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And further blow up our debt with no guarantees, as American labor would still be more expensive.
Encouraging domestic manufacturing by offering tax free incentives would do far more for our economy and domestic security than bailouts for corrupt financial instituions.

This country needs to address the real causes of our economic deterioration and not pander to the people who puts us where we are today.
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Old 01-31-2009, 11:06 PM
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Encouraging domestic manufacturing by offering tax free incentives would do far more for our economy and domestic security than bailouts for corrupt financial instituions.

This country needs to address the real causes of our economic deterioration and not pander to the people who puts us where we are today.
Amen to that.
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Old 02-01-2009, 12:48 AM
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Encouraging domestic manufacturing by offering tax free incentives would do far more for our economy and domestic security than bailouts for corrupt financial instituions.

This country needs to address the real causes of our economic deterioration and not pander to the people who puts us where we are today.
Here here! And tax imports more to offset the trade deficit.
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Old 02-01-2009, 02:50 AM
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Encouraging domestic manufacturing by offering tax free incentives would do far more for our economy and domestic security than bailouts for corrupt financial instituions.

This country needs to address the real causes of our economic deterioration and not pander to the people who puts us where we are today.
I agree, but tax cuts are not a cure-all. If they were, we could have solved this situation a long time ago.
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Old 02-01-2009, 07:45 AM
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I agree, but tax cuts are not a cure-all. If they were, we could have solved this situation a long time ago.
Getting the government out of running a mortgage business would have been a good move, too. See, the government is great for regulating business. As it should, and do so strictly and fairly without favorite industries. But gov is piss-poor for running business, as it has proven in an unblemished string of failures.

When government both runs and regulates a business it is under the same corrupting influences as any other business that tries self-regulation within the same chain of command. Worse, gov at the top has been experimenting with social engineering for the past 50 years as it wages an expensive and losing "War on Poverty."

So when the gov sets the laws that govern the business with the profit as secondary and runs the business as a social agency and manages the regulators it should come as no surprise when the gov totally focks it all up.
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OK then, let's get government out of the way and solve this situation once and for all. Oh wait, they already tried that in the 1920's and 30's.

Also FYI: Fannie and Freddie were privately-run institutions until last year. So was Wall Street.
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Old 02-02-2009, 01:12 PM
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OK then, let's get government out of the way and solve this situation once and for all. Oh wait, they already tried that in the 1920's and 30's.

Also FYI: Fannie and Freddie were privately-run institutions until last year.
You wouldn't believe how wrong you are concerning the 1920's and 1930's. The government has been tightening its noose around the necks of business and private ownership of wealth since 1784.

In the post WWI era the Republicans raised huge tariffs to protect domestic production from "unfair" foreign competition. In response, foreign countries raised huge tariffs to protect their own products. Worldwide the governments raised tariffs which precipitated the Great Depression. Look up "Smoot-Hawley" for an explanation of events.

Then when FDR came into office he raised gov spending and created socialist spending programs in the USA. Businesses collapsed, tax receipts plummeted, exports slowed and commerce slowly ground to a halt and then began shrinking until Hitler, Mussolini, and Tojo pulled the world from the downward economic spiral and into the all-consuming fire of war.
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You wouldn't believe how wrong you are concerning the 1920's and 1930's. The government has been tightening its noose around the necks of business and private ownership of wealth since 1784.

In the post WWI era the Republicans raised huge tariffs to protect domestic production from "unfair" foreign competition. In response, foreign countries raised huge tariffs to protect their own products. Worldwide the governments raised tariffs which precipitated the Great Depression. Look up "Smoot-Hawley" for an explanation of events.

Then when FDR came into office he raised gov spending and created socialist spending programs in the USA. Businesses collapsed, tax receipts plummeted, exports slowed and commerce slowly ground to a halt and then began shrinking until Hitler, Mussolini, and Tojo pulled the world from the downward economic spiral and into the all-consuming fire of war.
Succinct and depressing all in one there Bot.

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You wouldn't believe how wrong you are concerning the 1920's and 1930's. The government has been tightening its noose around the necks of business and private ownership of wealth since 1784.

In the post WWI era the Republicans raised huge tariffs to protect domestic production from "unfair" foreign competition. In response, foreign countries raised huge tariffs to protect their own products. Worldwide the governments raised tariffs which precipitated the Great Depression. Look up "Smoot-Hawley" for an explanation of events.

Then when FDR came into office he raised gov spending and created socialist spending programs in the USA. Businesses collapsed, tax receipts plummeted, exports slowed and commerce slowly ground to a halt and then began shrinking until Hitler, Mussolini, and Tojo pulled the world from the downward economic spiral and into the all-consuming fire of war.
So you wanna go back to the 1700's? I certainly don't. Maybe moving to an Amish community would bring you some of those pleasures.

The economy collapsed before FDR came to office. You have your timeline upside down.
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So you wanna go back to the 1700's? I certainly don't. Maybe moving to an Amish community would bring you some of those pleasures.

The economy collapsed before FDR came to office. You have your timeline upside down.
I'd rather go back to 1819. The economic collapse at that time rivaled the 30's and what we are seeing now. The big difference was that there was no government intervention and the problems corrected themselves so quickly that there is barely any historic mention of the event at all. The economy collapsed before FDR came to office, yes, but the depression dragged out as long as it did largely due to governement measures implemented at the time.

This is a very timely article that juse came online today.
http://mises.org/story/3318
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The economy collapsed before FDR came to office, yes, but the depression dragged out as long as it did largely due to governement measures implemented at the time.
I would say that's more a matter of opinion than anything else. Even today it's impossible to say accurately and objectively how much the bailouts have helped if at all, since it's very difficult to track every dollar.
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It's not necessary to track each dollar, but you can track every dollar. Care to hazzard a guess at the decline in the value of the dollar since government intervention in the economy became big business? I'm not putting this all on FDR, but you have to give him credit for really running with the ball on it.

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