Compact/Subcompact Pistols - Page 3 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Matt SD300 · #31 02-01-2009, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by LaRondo

CZ 75B comes in 9mm and .40s&w, black parkerized, satin nickel, all stainless. Ergonomically the best out there. Accuracy out of the box A+.

CZ's...are sweet...........

LaRondo · #32 02-01-2009, 10:01 PM

CZ P-01, 9mm. Compact version of the 75B, aircraft aluminum, 1.7lbs NATO approved.

R Leo · #33 02-01-2009, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Get a short-barreled, five shot revolver. Leave it loaded with the hammer down on an empty cylinder. It's compact, handy, and you never have to worry about spring compression jamming.

It's a belly gun, not a long-range shooter. You don't have to be a marksman, just willing.

And, you don't have to police your brass either.

signed,
Wheelgun lover

PS: Current revolvers are all transfer bar systems. Carry one under the hammer without worry.

LaRondo · #34 02-01-2009, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt SD300

CZ's...are sweet...........

You bet !

Glocks are for plastic geeks ...

Matt SD300 · #35 02-01-2009, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LaRondo

CZ P-01, 9mm. Compact version of the 75B, aircraft aluminum, 1.7lbs NATO approved.

Nice.....

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LaRondo · #36 02-01-2009, 10:06 PM

S&W 625 JM, .45 ACP ... moonclips!

LaRondo · #37 02-01-2009, 10:11 PM

There is also the CZ 75D PCR. Specs are very similar to the P-01.

For more info: www.czusa.com

Pooka · #38 02-01-2009, 11:18 PM

I am not a big gun person, but I have always heard that the main reason many of our police carry a Glock is due to the light weight compaired to an all steel unit.

It has to do with having to lug it around all day, and if you carry two or three even the hideout ones get heavy. Glocks are a high quality product, but it is the light weight that is their real advantage to the user (or so I have been told).

Also: If the weapon is alum. and the barrel is steel will the barrel ever seperate from the body? I mean, CZ makes some quality stuff, but will it last for years and years like, say, a Walther?

I think I am posting far more questions than answers here.

catmandoo62 · #39 02-01-2009, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LaRondo

S&W 625 JM, .45 ACP ... moonclips!

i have a 1917 s&w in the .45 acp with full and half moon clips.the full moon clips are the ultimate speed loader.and you don't have to worry about stray brass,it's locked into the clip.they are remaking the 1917 but at over 1000 dollars i'll stick with my old reliable.it has the smoothest action of any gun i have ever shot.they sure knew how to make em back then.

PaulC · #40 02-01-2009, 11:42 PM

I would take a look at a Sig Sauer P239 which is relatively compact and flat and is available in .40.

firemediceric · #41 02-02-2009, 06:12 AM

The guns pictured above are nice, but not for concealed carry IMHO. I don't want that beaver tail digging into me or upholstry, depending on where I carry it. The beaver tail is just something to also snag my clothing as it's being drawn. You wont't find that on the Kahr PM40, Kel-tec, or the Glock I mentioned above.

The other thing I really like about the guns I mentioned (and what made Glock so popular a while after it was introduced) was the DAO trigger which makes every trigger pull the same, as opossed to SA/DA like many other quality guns. Having a DAO trigger has been mandated by many, but certainly not all, law enforcement agencies as part of a safety policy.

For someone looking for their first gun for concealed carry, I stick by my initial recommendations

g300d · #42 02-02-2009, 06:39 AM

The subcompact .45 G36 and 30 are pretty much the same size as the compact .40 G23. More rounds for you with the .40, but since you're a wheelgunner I'm guessing you're not firepower-crazy so its all good. I find the .45 kicks easier for me, kind of a slow push compared to the sharp rap of the .40. Some are bothered enough by this to switch calibers, so try before you buy if possible.

1911-wise, there are a lot to choose from, and the compact officer's model size guns are about the same size as the Glocks you are eyeing. Most all the 1911 makers make a version, but the one that looks most interesting to me right now is Springfield's EMP. I don't mind 9mm for my compacts but they make a .40 version that would appeal to you. With it's slimmed down (fore AND aft) grip frame it would be just the ticket for smaller hands.

For other makers, someone already suggested Kahr, and I like their compact offerings. They feel good in the hand and are easy to pack. I think they make some of the smallest guns for the serious calibers. They have compact .45s and .40s in steel and polymer-framed versions.

The Walther PPS is looking like a contender in the compact gun crowd, but I don't know if they make em bigger than 9mm. About the same size as a PPK/S.

Good luck finding the right choice for you!

pj67coll · #43 02-02-2009, 09:27 AM

I used to carry a CZ83 in 380ACP (9mmKurz) for a couple of years before I left SA. It was a good weapon, as most stuff by CZ is and I had to use it once. However it also developed a problem that required work by a smith. In an emergency situation the only kind of weapon that is of any use is one that works as intended and so the less complexity the better.

Consequently. If I ever get a carry gun again it will likely be a 38sp revolver. Probably a S&W hammerless airlight.

- Peter.

g300d · #44 02-02-2009, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Pooka

I am not a big gun person, but I have always heard that the main reason many of our police carry a Glock is due to the light weight compaired to an all steel unit.

It has to do with having to lug it around all day, and if you carry two or three even the hideout ones get heavy. Glocks are a high quality product, but it is the light weight that is their real advantage to the user (or so I have been told).

Also: If the weapon is alum. and the barrel is steel will the barrel ever seperate from the body? I mean, CZ makes some quality stuff, but will it last for years and years like, say, a Walther?

I think I am posting far more questions than answers here.

Well, it's a combination of a lot of factors, not just the weight.

It's an interesting sum of design and engineering. THe gun is inexpensive because for one because it is polymer framed, which is less expensive to manufacture than a steel/alloy frame. Its design also contributes to the cost, as it uses a striker-fired mechanism which is simpler. Combined with using as many plastic parts as possible (Mr. Glock was already very experienced in manufacturing items with plastic) and reduced part count of the design, it came out cheaper and lighter than contemporary designs.

The simpler design was also easy to learn to use. Point gun - pull trigger.

Plastic meant less parts to rust. Using a special type of surface hardening made the metal parts like the slide and barrel extremely rust resistant also.

Mr. Glock's design used large tolerances to improve reliability, which also reduced costs by allowing parts to be made with larger tolerances. This had a pleasant side effect of most all parts being drop in with no fitting, simplifying repair and maintenance.

Accuracy is not match grade as priority was on reliability (these were after all designed for the Austrian army), but the resulting acuracy was adequate for most needs.

So it's a combination of price, user-friendliness, reliability, light weight, corrosion resistance and ease of maintenance, plus an aggressive marketing arm and service support that put Glock where it is today.

A steel barrel can work with an aluminum frame, no problem. It's all in the design and engineering of the gun.

And CZ is well known for their guns. Some consider the CZ75 the best 9mm service pistol out there. Tried and tested in battle and competition (IPSC/USPSA action shooting)

wis · #45 02-02-2009, 04:34 PM

for what its worth i love my glock 23c. its small enough to conceal, light, high capacity easy to shoot and very reliable. i have over 20k rounds through it and it shoots as good as new, never a single jam.