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Old 02-10-2009, 09:13 PM
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Unlike most people I have met, I have in-laws and relatives who have worked for or are working for Walmart. Never heard any of them whine as much about Walmart as people who have never worked there whine about Walmart.

Pay is good, advancement is good, benefits are good. They liked (and like) Walmart.

People who shop at Walmart are probably not the people most geniuses on OD hang out with. They're often the labor/wage earner for whom a dollar is dear and budgeting is tight. For them, Walmart is a place to buy food and clothing and many other items at very reasonable prices. They can't afford the premium prices of the upperclasses that patronize them.

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I think a fair amount of criticism of WalMart is just disguised class prejudice. The same people who criticize WalMart for it's anti-union activity happily shop at Whole Foods which is equally anti-union.
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Unlike most people I have met, I have in-laws and relatives who have worked for or are working for Walmart. Never heard any of them whine as much about Walmart as people who have never worked there whine about Walmart.

Pay is good, advancement is good, benefits are good. They liked (and like) Walmart.

People who shop at Walmart are probably not the people most geniuses on OD hang out with. They're often the labor/wage earner for whom a dollar is dear and budgeting is tight. For them, Walmart is a place to buy food and clothing and many other items at very reasonable prices. They can't afford the premium prices of the upperclasses that patronize them.
so your anecdotal evidence about walmart trumps the fact that they have been sued (and settled) for various forms of discrimination and forced "free" labor.

and because you feel that some people on this forum are uh "upperclass" "patronizers when it comes to walmart shoppers (non scientific uh judgement) that this is a class issue.

wow, don't let the facts get in the way of your uh well researched opinions.
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Old 02-10-2009, 10:19 PM
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I think a fair amount of criticism of WalMart is just disguised class prejudice. The same people who criticize WalMart for it's anti-union activity happily shop at Whole Foods which is equally anti-union.
I shop at Wal*Mart BECAUSE it is a non-union shop. I used to shop at Copps Food because the unions pointed out to me that it was not a union shop.

Real funny story too. I saw a bunch of people carrying signs that said "Copps No. Union Yes". At lunch time, guess where these people went to get deli food. Found out that Copps had some parts union and others not. Told the employees to vote one way or the other. They voted the union out and the union was pissed.
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so your anecdotal evidence about walmart trumps the fact that they have been sued (and settled) for various forms of discrimination and forced "free" labor.
Why don't you tell us what percentage of employees are disgruntled?
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I think a fair amount of criticism of WalMart is just disguised class prejudice. The same people who criticize WalMart for it's anti-union activity happily shop at Whole Foods which is equally anti-union.
I completely agree.
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Why would we consider a secret ballot a fundamental contributor to free and fair political elections but not in union elections?
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I agree that the bills are likely to be equal in size shape etc. But they are not equal in value, because humans don't think they are worth anything.
If the worthless dollar bills are not equal in value, then which one is more valuable than the other?

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The standard is the one set by the definition of the species. Are you suggesting that any human born with just a brain stem is fair game to be mistreated or killed?

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Human equality doesn't produce any effects. It doesn't make people glow blue for example. It may have affected the way humans ordered some society.
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Why don't you tell us what percentage of employees are disgruntled?
well, getting beyond the fact that that is impossible to know , why do you think walmart settled all those lawsuits and paid millions? (rhetorical question)

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well, getting beyond the fact that that is impossible to know ,

why do you think walmart settled all those lawsuits and paid millions? (rhetorical question)
So, since that is impossible to know, how can we say if it is a general policy or just an exception when it comes to disgruttled employees? Doesn't pretty much every company have them? Wal*Mart should have more (numerical wise) because of the size.

How is it a rhetorical question? Settling a lawsuit means nothing. It is a financial decision. A lot of bogus lawsuits never see their day in court and are settled. Why? Because it is based off numbers. If it costs $400 to fight and $100 to settle, you settle. If it costs $500 to settle and $100 to fight, you fight.
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Old 02-12-2009, 02:31 AM
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...contact the DA and file a complaint...Big Business doesn't want the press...and if the DA doesn't do anything, time for change...or is that only a one-way phrase that works for some and not for others?

Just curious...

i don't think the DA was involved in all those class action suits brought (and won) against Walmart. Again, what world do you live in? the DA doesn't file too many civil suits. Businesses will try to get away with anything. And most workers don't have the option to fight back - they are just trying to survive.


The world I live in works on a person-to-person basis...if Mr. H.R. Smartass says I have to bend over and take a poke from his buddy in Housewares, I'm taking Mr. H.R.S. to court for violating my rights and ignoring company policies...and you can bet that I, at least, will have as much documentation before I head that way.

Now, if Mr. H.R.S.'s Boss comes to me and says I need to let by-gones be by-gones, I'll look at my position at that time and re-think my position within the company and the future of where I'll be in a few weeks...But I know I won't have someone else making that decision for me, or on my behalf...

As for Class-action suits...what good are they? THEY'RE NOTHING MORE THAN A BUNCH OF PEOPLE GETTING SHAFTED BY A LAW FIRM TO REPRESENT THEIR SORRY BUTTS AGAINST A BIG COMPANY.

Ever see the "payouts" from the majority of those things? They are a joke...the money part of the payout goes to the law firm FIRST and the settlement (if there's anything that represents a settlement) is parcelled out in a "buy two, get a kick in the crotch" payback...

I'm talking about something that's tangible - something the DA can either look at and pursue, or reject on some legitimate grounds...but if he pans it and doesn't offer any opinion or advice, then it's time to find someone else that's more responsive to the peoples' needs...

The idea that a lawsuit against WAL*MART is, somehow, pertinent to whether a union is needed anymore or not is what's really being discussed here...

The fact that the GOVERNMENT is taking a procedure that determines how, or if, a union is allowed in a private enterprise is overstepping the bounds of freedom of assembly, freedom of speech and the sanctity of the private ballot.

I'm sick and tired and quite insulted that the government feels that I don't have the brains or wherewithall to handle a simple procedure as voting...

And besides that...how the hell would I be able to even treat the vote as being valid? The government is afraid of requiring legal PROOF that you should even be allowed in the polling place for its own elections and you want them to hold our hands and raise our hands when we cast a ballot for, or against, a union in a private business?

Get real...

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