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I see. We should start to save Monopoly money.

I am very sure they will replace the Dollar with the Amero or something similar. After they arrange for the North American Union. It's the only way out and they know it. That's why they are very little concerned about debth and the value of the Dollar. It will all wash out with a new currency.

The problem: A new currency won't fix the economy, it will only reset the monetary face value.

They did it in Europe, they will do it here.
That would be the logical move to strip people of their wealth the next cycle--except no one has any wealth to strip presently.

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Old 02-06-2009, 05:23 PM
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That would be the logical move to strip people of their wealth the next cycle--except no one has any wealth to strip presently.
Except for politicians that don't pay taxes. They seem to have lots of spare change. I wonder what the connection is.
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Old 02-06-2009, 05:29 PM
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Raising the minimum wage reduces the number of people who an employer can hire. This increases the number of people who do not pay taxes while concomitantly increases the demand for social services.

Is it fair or unfair to hire somebody at $5/hr if the alternative is to put the joker on welfare? A person who has an income is less of a financial and social drag on taxpayers.

If taxpayers retain more of their own money they are FREE TO CHOOSE where and how to spend it or save it according to their own interests, not some bureaucrat in the Commissariat of Social Services decree ... who probably doesn't pay taxes anyway.
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"The GOP says the stimulus can't create jobs. They're wrong."

http://www.newsweek.com/id/183303
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Old 02-06-2009, 05:30 PM
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"The GOP says the stimulus can't create jobs. They're wrong."

http://www.newsweek.com/id/183303
I'm pleased the GOP is wrong. They can more easily join their like-minded colleagues, the Democrats.
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Old 02-06-2009, 06:20 PM
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"The GOP says the stimulus can't create jobs. They're wrong."

http://www.newsweek.com/id/183303
That would be one opinion.

The basic problem with any "stimulus" Bill is that government has only 3 sources for the money it spends:
Taxes
borrowing
printing

Taxes are money that was in private hands that has been removed from them and put into government hands.
Borrowing is debt your grandchildren will pay
Printing is inflation, actually another form of tazes.
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Old 02-06-2009, 06:37 PM
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Oh that’s just great.

They’re changing the US currency to something else.

So what the hell am I supposed to do with all this crap?
Fedex me a couple of rows and I'll get rid of it real fast your ya.
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That would be one opinion.

The basic problem with any "stimulus" Bill is that government has only 3 sources for the money it spends:
Taxes
borrowing
printing

Taxes are money that was in private hands that has been removed from them and put into government hands.
Borrowing is debt your grandchildren will pay
Printing is inflation, actually another form of tazes.
I understand all of that and I hate debt as much as anyone. You left out interest paid on loans from foreign sources which are also another form of tax. But I also understand that a targeted spending package is sometimes needed for us to come out of a recession without going through a lengthy depression first.
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I understand all of that and I hate debt as much as anyone. But I also understand that a targeted spending package is sometimes needed for us to come out of a recession without going through a lengthy depression first.
As far as I can tell, no government in history has ever spent it's way out of a depression.

The only way out of a depression or to avoid depression is to free people up so they can work, create, innovate and thrive. Governments thrive when the people thrive, not the reverse.
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As far as I can tell, no government in history has ever spent it's way out of a depression.

The only way out of a depression or to avoid depression is to free people up so they can work, create, innovate and thrive. Governments thrive when the people thrive, not the reverse.
Please. Do you seriously believe that if only the the evil government stepped out of the way and free people could conduct their business, there would never be a bubble or pyramid scheme and no recession or depression, ever?
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Not to mention you seem to have a profound lack of understanding of what ended the last depression.
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as far as i can tell, no government in history has ever spent it's way out of a depression.

The only way out of a depression or to avoid depression is to free people up so they can work, create, innovate and thrive. Governments thrive when the people thrive, not the reverse.
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Not to mention you seem to have a profound lack of understanding of what ended the last depression.
Well, we could easily start WW3. That will solve everything, forever.
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Well, we could easily start WW3. That will solve everything, forever.
I dunno. Bush tried, but screwed that up too.

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