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Do Americans Cherish Freedom Anymore?
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2009/cbarchive_20090206.html
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Not near as much as they once did.............
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Uhh, if the Christian God gave freedom of thought and freedom of speech rights, then how come Christians developed the idea of heresy and the practice of doing nasty things to free thinkers? The Christian God didn't even give private property rights. Property rights were tribal under Jehovah and all property exchanges were negated every 49 yrs.
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Jefferson went on to say that "whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
I'm waiting for that part, in breif I think the currant government is a totaly corrupt broken machine. I hate both the democrate and republican parties because they run it, and I refuse to vote for either one. There are to many laws, and to many taxes. We need to reset the governments size, power, and budget to 1920 levels at least, if not lower. Like I have said before I'm waiting for the revolution, were going to need another pretty soon. Time to press the reset button.
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I agree. I was referencing the long rant in the piece about born again Christian and Christian colleges.
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Yep..One of the few founding fathers that was not a Christian..............
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And in relation to the original question. Nope. I think most do not value freedom much. Frankly I think they fear it. - Peter.
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Do you even understand why there is a seperation between church and state ?
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Their book is a work of fiction so why can't history be rewritten to their liking too?
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Its not that it isn't cherished, but that there is no true understanding of what it actually is.
You are most likely asking this question without a deep appreciation / understanding yourself. Last edited by jt20; 02-09-2009 at 12:40 PM. |
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So yes we understand the seperation between church and state, do you? |
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I agree.
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Most of the founding faters were not cristians. And they and others tried very hard to keep religion out of the constitution. Remember that religous freedom was one of the reasons we sailed across the ocean. Seperation of church and state gives these religous types freedom to worship whom/what ever they wish. But they dont seem to understand that. They want to mandate their own religon, and they all think theirs is the one true religon. Having things like the 10 commandments in any government building is sponoring a state religon.
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None of the founders (IIRC) ever suggested that the federal government should show any religious preference toward anybody or any religion. There is a famous letter from Geo Washington to a synagogue (Long Island?) in which he guaranteed that the new nation would regard Jews as equal citizens. Later when Jefferson was president he made essentially the same claim to North African Arab states. IIRC, Jefferson overtly claimed in a treaty ratified by Congress with the Bey of Tripoli that the United States is NOT a Christian nation. Thus, the founders, all believers and mostly Christians, intentionally founded a secular state based on religious tolerance. Curiously, NONE of the founders presumed to argue that the nation's Constitution prevented any state from favoring a state religion. Some states favored a particular religion upon entry into the union and were not compelled to change. The founders, every one, believed that the constitution established the limits of the federal government with respect to the states. This general philosophy was enacted by amendment (#10). Simple words, interpretation of which puts me firmly in the minority: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. |
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