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Jorn · #31 02-11-2009, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by pj67coll

I was about to reply in almost exactly the same vein. I think it's disgusting that American citizens could be in a positition where they have to jump thru hoops to satisfy their lords and masters as to their passivity before they'll be, provisionally, treated as responsible adults. When I lived in South Africa, where I carried a licensed pistol everywhere I went, I used to think the NRA was a somewhat extreme organization and that if I ever were lucky enough to make it to the US I would probably not have much time for them.

However I am now a member and becoming even more extreme in my views as time goes by as the essence of the US is continuously eroded by this type of nauseating nanny statism.

- Peter.

So you come to this country being welcomed as a "foreigner" and now you're picking up arms against it, nice guest you are.

pj67coll · #32 02-11-2009, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jorn

So you come to this country being welcomed as a "foreigner" and now you're picking up arms against it, nice guest you are.

I have not picked up arms against it yet, and would hope I would not feel compelled to. However twice before in this country it's citizenry felt compelled to take up arms against it, as I've said before I see no reason why there would not be a third occasion. Also, I'm not a guest I'm a citizen and well aware that for every one who regards the founding principals of the US to be valuable there are probably a lot more who are too scared to accept the freedom and responsibility that comes with those principals and are thus happy to trade in their freedom for the worthless "promise" of protection from the nanny state.

- Peter.

tonkovich · #33 02-11-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Sell your liberty for the promise of an increased probability of potential security.

does this mean you are armed?

thot rhetoric was your only weapon

RichC · #34 02-11-2009, 09:19 PM

Funny how you guys become strict constitutionists when it comes to guns.

But illegal survelience and suspension of haebus corpus, not a problem !

pj67coll · #35 02-11-2009, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC

Funny how you guys become strict constitutionists when it comes to guns.

But illegal survelience and suspension of haebus corpus, not a problem !

Yep, Nooooooo problem

- Peter.

Hatterasguy · #36 02-11-2009, 09:21 PM

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

I still think the Constitution is one of the finest documents man has ever written.

Governments don't like armed citizens, as the gun dealer said in Lord of War, "Bullits changes governments surrer than votes."

Hatterasguy · #37 02-11-2009, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RichC

Funny how you guys become strict constitutionists when it comes to guns.

I'm always a pretty strict Constitutionalist. These days more so.

tonkovich · #38 02-11-2009, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

I still think the Constitution is one of the finest documents man has ever written.

Governments don't like armed citizens, as the gun dealer said in Lord of War, "Bullits changes governments surrer than votes."

so....do you and your militia members meet often? weekly? monthly?

jeesus h christ, its not 1789 anymore. why are we not counting blacks as 3/5ths of a person anymore? (thank god) and women have the vote, the last time i checked? no?

mgburg · #39 02-11-2009, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jorn

So you come to this country being welcomed as a "foreigner" and now you're picking up arms against it, nice guest you are.

I see him as someone that has had the experience of a nanny-state keeping an eye on him at all times.

Obviously, he has more experience than anyone on this thread so far...

Maybe he doesn't want to see the US turning into a 3rd world loser-country like others around the world have seemed to be comfortable being...

And I'm sick and tired of being told that I don't have the right, any more, to keep control of my weapons...whatever they may be...

I'm not going to tell "Daddy AG" that I'm moving...that's for criminals...I didn't commit any crime...why do I have to deal with an AG? What do I have to do with his office?

I didn't commit any crimes...why should I tell him, or his office, what kind of gun, rifle, knife, whatever I own? Is he some chicken-54it policy-wonk? Who scared him and his shadow?

People who don't own guns don't need to tell those who do how to act and behave...

HOWEVER, those that propose and support violating the Constitution of the United States need to be removed from office before they cause more harm...'cause it's evident they really don't intend to uphold and defend the Constitution...they're in power for the power alone and nothing else...

Remember, a Government that fears its citizens needs to be feared by those very citizens themselves.

Shumer needs to be recalled...now.

RichC · #40 02-11-2009, 09:27 PM

Shall we start passing out guns at the exit gate of prisons ?
How about the mentally ill ?
I am crazy as a bed bug, and I dont think I should have access to a gun.

What is wrong with having some laws on the books that cops can use to arrest people with that really should not be carrying a gun ??

Laws will never keep guns out of the hands of criminals.
A person can allways find a gun.
But if there is not a law that can be used to take the gun away, criminals will use them more.

Why would you want to take away the power of the police to protect you from a homicidal killer with a gun ???

pj67coll · #41 02-11-2009, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tonkovich

so....do you and your militia members meet often? weekly? monthly?

jeesus h christ, its not 1789 anymore. why are we not counting blacks as 3/5ths of a person anymore? (thank god) and women have the vote, the last time i checked? no?

So what? None of that is in the constitution. You can claim that the social attitudes in 1789 were not perfect. Staggeringly enough, you will find that future generations will consider attitudes of today to be imperfect. What the hell does that have to do with ****ing up the constitution of the United States?

- Peter.

kknudson · #42 02-11-2009, 09:31 PM

Along with Hatterasguy I think too much goverment is a pain, Federal or State.

But, based on the limited input I have seen I support this.

If it stops 100 people a year from getting guns that shouldn't it's worth it.

Could be worse, had a community here in Il that banned guns about 20 years ago. I don't know what effect it had on crime, that is not the point here. But if you owned a gun you had to dispose of it, I WILL OBJECT TO GUN LEGISLATION LIKE THAT.

But to have basic FOID type requirements, I do not understand the objection. They are NOT infringing on your rights, just keeping on eye on them. (Good grief, I am saying the goverment can be good at keeping an eye on someone, ok Shoot me and get it over with

).

Considering the number of senseless, stupid shootings that occur I cannot disagree with something like this.

Sorry, but I'd go one further, using (maybe even carrying) a gun while committing a violent crime = death sentence NO APEALS once the jury convicts.

mwood · #43 02-11-2009, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DieselAddict

I can go with that, but personally I don't think this proposed federal law is too restrictive. I think it's quite reasonable.

So if it were up to you, you wouldn't even have background checks for gun purchasers? After all background checks are a form of government intervention.

What's wrong with the laws we already have? ANY new law will not keep guns out of the hands of criminals. This BS cannot be allowed!

RichC · #44 02-11-2009, 09:41 PM

I am sorry you wife/child was shot to death sir.

If we would have had a law on the books where we could have taken the gun away from
that psychopath before he shot her.