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I think the Pinto gets an undeserved bad rap. For their time, they were actually pretty decent small cars, if a little over-weight. Ford erred big time when they elected not to put the plastic pad to protect the gas tank, but the overall design was not too bad.
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If I had the kind of income that allowed me to buy a new car I was playing with the thought of a G8 or w/e it is or a saturn Sky since its a pretty slick looking car. But I still have a taste for european cars, which the sky and G8 seem to come from..-cough-holden.vauxhall- cough- It still amazes me the wide selection of cars the europeans get from our own country's auto maker. The ford KA is pretty cool and I'd consider one over a Fortwo anyday or anything opel or holden. I laughed when the GTO came "back". Sorry, that wasn't a real GTO. John Z Delorean would have had a fit.. or probably did before he passed. So, whats going to be in transformers two or three? Honda's? |
I almost bought a Sky, too. I test drove a turbo version and really liked it a lot. But then this E300D surfaced and I bought it and saved a pile of money on sticker, upkeep, insurance, etc.
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The Pinto station wagons *DID* have the $3 waffle pad between the differential and the gas tank. The hatchbacks and other Pinto's didn't. People used to joke about putting Firestone 500's on them and then just wait at the toll plaza until one of those Audi 5000's with the stuck accellerators would plow into the rear end of them!!! |
Too much discussion about a single event (or vehicle) that doomed GM. It is much simpler. Any company that is basically a welfare state for its FORMER employees and has a huge entitlement program (right up there with Uncle Sam and that is always in the red) is doomed to failure. It is like a squirrel on a wheel, the wheel keeps spinning faster and you can't just maintain, you have to speed up.
Some people disagree, by IMO the unions killed the US auto industry. There was a need for them when they were created, but they became entities whose only goal was to protect their own existence at the expense of its members. How many non-auto companies do you know that can exist with the level of animosity that exists in the auto industry between management and workers? |
I'm not anti union - but how can you justify an avg. salary of 144k? Thats around 100k less than the avg. american.
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Now Pontiac may be going.... 1946 Pontiac Streamliner wagon... http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/main....serialNumber=2 1959 Pontiac Bonneville... http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/main....serialNumber=2 http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/main....serialNumber=2 1957 Pontiac Bonneville... http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/main....serialNumber=2 1958 Pontiac Bonneville... http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/main....serialNumber=2 http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/main....serialNumber=2 1969 Pontiac GTO... http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/main....serialNumber=2 1969 Pontiac Firebird... http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/main....serialNumber=2 1972 Pontiac Grand Ville... http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/main....serialNumber=2 1964 Pontiac GTO... http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/main....serialNumber=2 1974 Pontiac Grand Safari wagon... http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/main....serialNumber=2 and a couple of more early 70s Cadillacs.... 1972 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham... http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/main....serialNumber=2 1973 Cadillac Eldorado convertible... http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/main....serialNumber=2 |
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Much truth here. IMO, the most insidious aspect of the Union Shop is the "Us vs Them" mentality. Either the company makes money, turns a profit, and continues to exist, and provide jobs, or it fails, and no one has a job. One of these situations is to be preferred. |
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'I'm not anti union - but how can you justify an avg. salary of 144k? Thats around 100k less than the avg. american. ' A lot of these guys are/were working 12 hour shifts, seven days a week. Their Overtime pay kicks in sooner than Federal guidelines. There are some companies that are not required to pay overtime. It sucks working straight time and more than 40 hours per week. Tom |
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I'm not anti union - but how can you justify an avg. salary of 144k? Thats around 100k less than the avg. american. Also, I make more per hour that a friend of mine. We work at the same plant, same company, different work area and division and different Union. He take more, a lot more, home every year. Of course he's working, till recently, almost 7 days a week and sometime 12 hour days. There was a Dilbert comic, where a maintnence guy is roaming the halls. One of the managment or secertaries says to him, 'I thought your work hours were over, by now.' He replies, 'I'm working Overtime'. She says, "what's that.' He pulls out some charts and pointing to the charts, says something like,'When I work over my regular work hours, may pay rate is exponentially increased over the aloted time" or something like that. There are wisps of steam comeing out her ears. The last frame of the comic, is the maintenance guy leaning back in a chair, saying, 'I love office trolling.' Tom |
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