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Old 10-21-2009, 10:54 AM
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As a side note, people born before 1950 have an immunity to H1N1. That's because they would be old enough to have gone through and been exposed to the great flu epidemic. That epidemic was similar to the H1N1 and they will have an immunity to it.

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You mean the spanish flu of 1919? I wasn't aware that epidemic lasted all the way till 1950.

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Old 10-21-2009, 12:56 PM
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It didn't last until 1950. I never meant to imply that it did.

I'm repeating what I saw on 20/20. The CDC said that people who went through the flu epidemic had immunity to it. When asked when the cut off date for that immunity would be they said 1950. It's possible I didn't hear it right. Maybe they said middle aged people born before 1950.

Your missing the point. Older people have an immunity to H1N1 and don't need a vaccine as much as children do.

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An employee in our building was hospitalized for two weeks from complications that resulted after receiving a flu shot.

A few of us visited him in the hospital when we heard that his prognosis had worsened. He died early this morning...
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Old 10-29-2009, 12:50 AM
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Perhaps this will help you make up your minds about the flu vaccine:

"Dr. Anthony Morris, a distinguished virologist and former Chief Vaccine Office at the U.S. Federal Drug Administration (FDA), states that “There is no evidence that any influenza vaccine thus far developed is effective in preventing or mitigating any attack of influenza” and that “The producers of these vaccines know they are worthless, but they go on selling them anyway.”

"And in November 2007, the UK newspaper The Scotsman, made public warnings by the inventor of the “flu jab,” Dr. Graeme Laver. Dr. Laver was a major Australian scientist involved in the invention of a flu vaccine, in addition to playing a leading scientific role in the discovery of anti-flu drugs. He went on record as saying the vaccine he helped to create was ineffective and [that] natural infection with the flu was safer. “I have never been impressed with its efficacy,” said Dr. Laver."

In an interview on Swedish television, Dr. Tom Jefferson, head of vaccine studies at the prestigious international Cochrane Database Collaboration, after reviewing hundreds of influenza studies and statistical analyses, has said the WHO’s and CDC’s “performance is not very good.” And in an ITN News interview last month, Jefferson called the swine flu pandemic a “juggernaut they [the WHO, government agencies and vaccine makers] created.” For the 1992-1993 season, the prediction was off by 84 percent. For the 1994-1995 season, it was off 43 percent for the primary strain and off 87 percent and 76 percent for two other strains. The Laboratory Center for Disease Control’s study comparing vaccine strains with the strains appearing during the 1997-1998 season found the match was off by 84 percent. Again Dr. Jefferson in a Der Spiegel interview remarked,

“there are some people who make predictions year after year, and they get worse and worse. None of them so far have come about, and these people are still there making these predictions. For example, what happened with the bird flu, which was supposed to kill us all?.... Swine flu could have even stayed unnoticed if it had been caused by some unknown virus rather than an influenza virus… An influenza vaccine is not working for the majority of influenza-like illnesses because it is only designed to combat influenza viruses. For that reason, the vaccine changes nothing when it comes to the heightened mortality rate during the winter months.”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15860

"Official data have shown that the large-scale vaccinations undertaken in the US have failed to obtain any significant improvement of the diseases against which they were supposed to provide protection."
Dr A. Sabin, developer of the Oral Polio vaccine (lecture to Italian doctors in Piacenza, Italy, Decemebr 7th 1985)"

"The only wholly safe vaccine is a vaccine that is never used"
Dr James A. Shannon, National Institute of Health, USA

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dacia, still getting your "facts" from the same place? How is it that possible considering the number of sources out there? Or do you seek your facts pre-filtered?
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Old 10-29-2009, 01:53 AM
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Can't get the Damn H1N1 Vaccine Shots here in Georgia

BUT,I've got an appointment for Nov.10 to get a shot in another State...

Go Figure?

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Some of the Emergency Medical Persons @ the local hospitals have received their H1N1 shots in the last 48 hours...
"A Two Tier Supply Stream"?
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Old 10-29-2009, 04:00 AM
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I don need no stinkin flu shots. I done got me immunity the old fashioned way. It weren't fun.
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Yeah, people who are sick definitely need to stay home. wearing a mask doesn't help. It just makes you look stupid.
Most people take vitamin C when they get sick. However vitamin D & B vitamins are much more effective.
Ah hah! That explains it! I've been trying to prevent the flu (which I managed to "catch" today) with liberal applications of vitamin C washed down with Corona. I should have been drinking, err, applying White Russians.
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Old 10-29-2009, 08:40 AM
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"Official data have shown that the large-scale vaccinations undertaken in the US have failed to obtain any significant improvement of the diseases against which they were supposed to provide protection."
Dr A. Sabin, developer of the Oral Polio vaccine (lecture to Italian doctors in Piacenza, Italy, Decemebr 7th 1985)"
Cummon now you're quoting from 1985? What about Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Smallpox, Pertussis, HPV?

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Yeah true, in the same way that the only safe car is one that's never driven.
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Ah hah! That explains it! I've been trying to prevent the flu (which I managed to "catch" today) with liberal applications of vitamin C washed down with Corona. I should have been drinking, err, applying White Russians.
Exactly!
Jack Daniels would be better.
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Old 10-29-2009, 10:24 AM
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Cummon now you're quoting from 1985? What about Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Smallpox, Pertussis, HPV?



Yeah true, in the same way that the only safe car is one that's never driven.
Hey, are we going to start quoting facts now?
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For most of my 30 some years of life, there was no such thing as flu shots. Miraculously, mankind survived.
Flu shots make the pharm companies better.
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I had a regular shot. Have done for the last couple of years. I work in schools so I'm just sick of getting sick. But of course there's no H1N1 vaccine yet. It probably wont be around until lat November by which time well all probably have it already, so I guess I don't really see the point in that one.

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Just had a fire sprinkler system inspector in here today who had H1N1 a few weeks ago along with his wife, son & daughter.

He said it was "just like any other flu - sick a few days, then fine".

Don't get me wrong, if you're at either end of the age spectrum, have a compromised immune system or some other medical condition, it could be serious.

If you're healthy, though, it's not really anything to worry about.

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