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Old 03-22-2009, 12:09 PM
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Freedom of speech?

Not if you're a Republican.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090321/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_clinton_movie

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Old 03-22-2009, 12:20 PM
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What a false post! I saw nothing in there that concerned the Obama Administration at all, can you point it out?
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Old 03-22-2009, 12:33 PM
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What a false post! I saw nothing in there that concerned the Obama Administration at all, can you point it out?
How is it false? Isn't Hillary part of Obama's admin?
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Old 03-22-2009, 12:55 PM
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At issue is a politically charged "movie" which was aired during the democratic primary in 2008, before there was an Obama administration.

The federal courts, which ones it does not say, ruled that it was a political advertisement and the financial backers would have to be identified. Apparently revealing them would be tantamount to admitting it is a campaign ad.

As my late father used to say...."most lies are based on facts".
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Old 03-22-2009, 01:18 PM
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At issue is a politically charged "movie" which was aired during the democratic primary in 2008, before there was an Obama administration.

The federal courts, which ones it does not say, ruled that it was a political advertisement and the financial backers would have to be identified. Apparently revealing them would be tantamount to admitting it is a campaign ad.

As my late father used to say...."most lies are based on facts".
And what is the difference between this and a Michael Moore "movie"? Timing? Maybe I should edit the Obama reference, I think I will.
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Old 03-22-2009, 03:32 PM
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McCain-Feingold -- Free speech everywhere but in politics.

Here's the part that leads back to the reason I'm glad the repos lost the recent election:

The movie was shown in eight theaters. Bossie's group wanted to run ads on television in key election states during peak primary season and show the movie on cable television's video-on-demand.

Federal courts said the ads would violate the McCain-Feingold law, the popular name for 2002 revisions to the nation's campaign finance laws. Judges called "Hillary: The Movie" a 90-minute attack ad, rulings that would require Citizens United to identify the financial backers for the ads if they were to appear on television.

The court also said that if Bossie's group showed the movie on cable television, financial backers would have to be named and the group would have to pay the cost of airing the movie.


Can't have negative things said in a campaign. Noooooooo.
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Old 03-22-2009, 03:34 PM
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And what is the difference between this and a Michael Moore "movie"? Timing? Maybe I should edit the Obama reference, I think I will.
I haven't seen this, but Moore's movies aren't political attacks on one person.
It depends on what is considered a campaign ad. Just because it's 90 minutes instead of 30 seconds is doesn't make it not an ad.
In reading the article, I must say the filmmaker's arguments don't make a lot of sense. A campaign ad doesn't have to contain the words, 'don't vote for' so and so.
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Old 03-22-2009, 03:40 PM
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I haven't seen this, but Moore's movies aren't political attacks on one person.
It depends on what is considered a campaign ad. Just because it's 90 minutes instead of 30 seconds is doesn't make it not an ad.
In reading the article, I must say the filmmaker's arguments don't make a lot of sense. A campaign ad doesn't have to contain the words, 'don't vote for' so and so.
If political speech can be circumscribed by law, what constitutes free speech to you?
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I might be wrong, but I don't think anyone said they couldn't make it or say it, just that it had to follow the rules of other campaign ads. The crux of which seems to be acknowledgement of the donors. Which I thought you liked.
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Old 03-22-2009, 04:01 PM
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Maybe the "donors" gave more than the allowable amount for a political campaign contribution, thus trying to circumvent the rules.
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Old 03-22-2009, 04:17 PM
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I see it as a violation of free speech. It was set up as a documentary film.
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Old 03-22-2009, 04:17 PM
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I might be wrong, but I don't think anyone said they couldn't make it or say it, just that it had to follow the rules of other campaign ads. The crux of which seems to be acknowledgement of the donors. Which I thought you liked.
"Free" being something less than, "free." What we have here is speech that is okay as long as we follow government rules. But that's not abrdigement of free speech, uh-uh.

Is it slander or libel? Bring it to court.


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Old 03-22-2009, 04:19 PM
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I see it as a violation of free speech. It was set up as a documentary film.
I don't know what a "documentary" is.

I do know what it means when the government takes a hand in deciding which political speech is legal and which is not.
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Not if you're a Republican...
There is no way Scalia, Thomas, Roberts, Kennedy, or Alito will ever give a Republican a fair shake.
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Old 03-22-2009, 04:26 PM
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There is no way Scalia, Thomas, Roberts, Kennedy, or Alito will ever give a Republican a fair shake.
I hope they give the Constitution a fair shake, f**k a buncha Republicans.

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