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Old 04-02-2009, 01:25 PM
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This is a MISSILE DEFENSE SYSTEM. It it not pointing missiles at Russia. It is primarily to shoot down missiles coming from Iran and to protect our NATO allies. W even offered to extend the coverage to Russia.
The idea that this is an act of aggression is ludicrous. The Poles want this system as do the Czechs. Yanking it out from under then after all they went through to prepare for it reeks of cutting and running...

The only ones against this are the Russians, not because it is a threat to them, but because they do not want to see the USA playing in the former Warsaw Pact countries. Remember how they were dead set against Poland joining NATO?

I think we are going to need all the missile shields we can build once the PDRK and Iran have three stage capability.
I don't know about the Poles, but a good majority of Czechs are against the missile shield. That's one reason Mr. Topolanek's government, that wanted to go ahead with the shield, recently fell. You can also look at the issue from the Russians' point of view. How would you feel if the Russians deployed a missile shield in Cuba? Last time something like that happened I remember Americans didn't like it very much.

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Old 04-02-2009, 01:26 PM
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I don't know about the Poles, but a good majority of Czechs are against the missile shield. That's one reason Mr. Topalanek's government, that wanted to go ahead with the shield, recently fell. You can also look at the issue from the Russians' point of view. How would you feel if the Russians deployed a missile shield in Cuba? Last time something like that happened I remember Americans didn't like it very much.
Nothing like that has ever happened.
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Nothing like that has ever happened.
So you'd be fine with the Russians today deploying a missile shield in Cuba? I have a hard time believing that.

Anyway, this Euro missile shield is BS. Bush was primarily interested in protecting the US, not Europe, from imaginary threats. Good thing Obama is smart enough to see there are bigger things to worry about than Iran shooting a missile over Europe.
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So you'd be fine with the Russians today deploying a missile shield in Cuba? I have a hard time believing that. ....
I said nothing like what you allege has ever happened.
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I said nothing like what you allege has ever happened.
The Cuban missile crisis involved missiles, so does the current Euro missile shield. You may see them as having nothing to do with each other. I see some parallels, and I think so do you, but you don't want to admit it because that would require answering my question.
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The Cuban missile crisis involved missiles, so does the current Euro missile shield. You may see them as having nothing to do with each other. I see some parallels, and I think so do you, but you don't want to admit it because that would require answering my question.
No parallels. Think about it.
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No parallels. Think about it.
I did. Now answer my question if you want to continue this discussion.
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I did. Now answer my question if you want to continue this discussion.
Non-nuclear-tipped (conventional explosives), surface to air missiles are exclusively defensive. Nuclear armed surface to surface missiles are exclusively offensive.

The soviets did in fact, arm the cuban military with defensive missiles. We didn't squawk.
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Non-nuclear-tipped (conventional explosives), surface to air missiles are exclusively defensive. Nuclear armed surface to surface missiles are exclusively offensive.

The soviets did in fact, arm the cuban military with defensive missiles. We didn't squawk.
Really? You sure have some perverted sense of history. I'm done arguing here.
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Do you know who else sells war technology to Iran.
And sold it to Iraq, before the current war.
And the zenophobe comment.
Where are we wanting to build a fence ???
Yes, I do, it was us, so what? we also supported Sadam and the Taliban during the Cold War, but both proved to unreliable to handle.

A fence with Mexico is not a good idea. However, it is not zenophobic, merely a band aid on arterial bleeding....
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Old 04-02-2009, 02:39 PM
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If you think this missile/satellite launch is a bigger crisis than the global economic meltdown, I think you need help.
you prefer potential nuclear holocast to economic meltdown? you might need help....
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So you'd be fine with the Russians today deploying a missile shield in Cuba? I have a hard time believing that.

Anyway, this Euro missile shield is BS. Bush was primarily interested in protecting the US, not Europe, from imaginary threats. Good thing Obama is smart enough to see there are bigger things to worry about than Iran shooting a missile over Europe.
what does it matter who we are protecting ourselves from? a nuke is a nuke is a nuke..... you would rather be unprotected?
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The Cuban missile crisis involved missiles, so does the current Euro missile shield. You may see them as having nothing to do with each other. I see some parallels, and I think so do you, but you don't want to admit it because that would require answering my question.
no parallels, the missles in Cuba were offensive. the missle shield is a defensive system.....
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Old 04-02-2009, 02:56 PM
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no parallels, the missles in Cuba were offensive. the missle shield is a defensive system.....
Unless it is publicized what kind of defensive missles are to be installed, it could be a mere switching of warheads and there you have your offensive missle.

The fact that nobody is asking us for defensive shields to be installed in their country shows that this was a silly idea to begin with. Really, it would just make Poland and Czech. more susceptible to being a target, should whoever the defense is being used for actually act..and I forsee that not happening. Iran isn't going to send any missles anywhere, and Russia could care less if there was a defense shield in the way of their interests. So what's the point?
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Old 04-02-2009, 03:08 PM
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you prefer potential nuclear holocast to economic meltdown? you might need help....
I prefer N. Korea test-firing a missile over this economic meltdown, nothing like what you said.

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what does it matter who we are protecting ourselves from? a nuke is a nuke is a nuke..... you would rather be unprotected?
Unprotected from what? How many Americans have died from nuclear missile attacks? How many have died from heart disease, cancer, car accidents, and homicides? Sometimes it helps to sort the risks by their respective probabilities.

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