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Old 04-08-2009, 10:34 PM
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looks like the crew took the ship back, but the captain traded himself as a hostage to free the rest of the crew. wow, thats one cool captain

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/piracy
Thanks for the link, I copied it but forgot to paste it.
@Kknudsen, read the link, they are unarmed.

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Old 04-08-2009, 10:35 PM
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please explain?

how did lawyers get involved in the piracy thing? or the idea of ships carrying weapons to defend themselves against pirates off the coast of africa?
lawyers are involved because the sailors are from America or England or wherever. The only Africans are the pirates. IOW, the kind of people who would've sued the airlines for getting hijacked by Saudi terrorists are the same who would sue the American vessel for presuming to get robbed by pirates.
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Old 04-08-2009, 10:50 PM
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lawyers are involved because the sailors are from America or England or wherever. The only Africans are the pirates. IOW, the kind of people who would've sued the airlines for getting hijacked by Saudi terrorists are the same who would sue the American vessel for presuming to get robbed by pirates.
well, shouldn't the airlines have adequate security?
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again, i just don't see the legal profession as the root of the problem.

kinda whacky reasoning. like pickles and ice cream.
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Old 04-08-2009, 10:57 PM
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Armed teams on board with heavy machine guns will do for now.

Even fire hoses/water cannons would suffice.

Also tear gas, nests to entangle pirate boat propellers;
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well, shouldn't the airlines have adequate security?
They had adequate security. If I carjack you and run over someone in your car, shouldn't you have stopped me from carjacking you?
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They had adequate security. If I carjack you and run over someone in your car, shouldn't you have stopped me from carjacking you?
no. i am not a policeman. carjacking is illegal. i dont think i would be held liable.

an airline sells me a ticket, they are promising a safe flight. and they have the right to have armed guards on site. or in the air. (remember "sky marshalls" in the 70's?)
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Old 04-08-2009, 11:04 PM
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again, i just don't see the legal profession as the root of the problem.

kinda whacky reasoning. like pickles and ice cream.
the way you put it together, you are absolutely right. But I don't believe anybody alleged that lawyers are the problem in piracy. That came from your fevered brow. This is one of those red herring thingies, ain't it?
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Old 04-08-2009, 11:05 PM
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I have heard they ARE heavily armed, including RPGs.

But I too have wondered, hire some exMilitary, (Sniper type), give him a 50 Cal rifle. A very potent weapon.

As they get close he gives them a warning shot, second shot goes through the boat, maybe through the engine.

Don't even let them get close enough to use their weapons.
Ever been on a ship at sea? It would take a hell of a sniper to hit an engine.
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no. i am not a policeman. carjacking is illegal. i dont think i would be held liable.
Hijacking is illegal too. That's where the term carjacking comes from.

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an airline sells me a ticket, they are promising a safe flight. and they have the right to have armed guards on site. or in the air. (remember "sky marshalls" in the 70's?)
Sometimes the bad guys find a way.

This is irrelevant anyway. If a sailor got shot by a pirate, the sailor's family sues the ship owner. If the sailors are known not to defend themselves, no one has a need to shoot them.
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Old 04-08-2009, 11:11 PM
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no. i am not a policeman. carjacking is illegal. i dont think i would be held liable.
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Would you argue that no property owner has been sued for protecting his property with deadly force?
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Old 04-08-2009, 11:11 PM
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the biggest problem with arming the ships is that they will use the arms unsuccessfully, then instead of paying out a couple mil ransom, they lose 100mil ship and 100 mil cargo when one of these yahoos shoots an RPG through the side of a non armored hull.
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the way you put it together, you are absolutely right. But I don't believe anybody alleged that lawyers are the problem in piracy. That came from your fevered brow. This is one of those red herring thingies, ain't it?
the crew can't have guns on the ship because in a firefight stowaway illegal aliens might get hurt and lawyers would sue the crew for damages.

was this not your uh statement?

red herring? well, maybe if blood spilled into the bait tank?
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Old 04-08-2009, 11:13 PM
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the biggest problem with arming the ships is that they will use the arms unsuccessfully, then instead of paying out a couple mil ransom, they lose 100mil ship and 100 mil cargo when one of these yahoos shoots an RPG through the side of a non armored hull.
It would take more than a single rpg since modern vessels are compartmentalized. But your point stands anyway.
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Old 04-08-2009, 11:15 PM
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They need to stop paying the ransoms...the more they pay the more ships will get attacked. Can't these pea brain morons see that they are causing their own problem?

The best way to deal with pirates as the Brit's know is to flush them out and kill them. We know where there base is so why is there not a multi national navel force dropping shells on it and killing these SOB's?

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