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Old 04-16-2009, 11:06 AM
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Of course there is waste in government and hopefully Obama will be true to his word and try to stop it. And yes I have a problem with it.

Arguably,a waste of 52 million here...
Good old Detriot Public Schools. For this 52 million, few of the kids in need of learning will get much of it, imo.
Course, since the city and state are both broke, that 52 million is probably mostly coming from Uncle Sam.


DPS pumps $52M into summer school
Expanded program could help 41K students
Jennifer Mrozowski / The Detroit News
Detroit -- About 41,000 Detroit Public Schools students who have fallen behind academically are eligible for a dramatically expanded, free summer school program, the district announced Wednesday.

Robert Bobb, the district's emergency financial manager, said the district plans to spend an unprecedented $52 million to serve nearly half its students -- about 42 percent more students than last year.

The Michigan Department of Education must review and approve Bobb's request for funding before the program can take effect, a spokeswoman for the department said.

The district has gained national notoriety for its high dropout rate -- 75 percent, by some estimates. Many students drop out because they have trouble keeping up academically, experts say, and offering academic remediation may be one way to boost the graduation rate.

The program, which is not mandatory but strongly encouraged, will start June 15 and target students in every grade. It will include both extended hours and weeks of instruction and ACT preparation classes.

The program includes training for teachers and principals, and training for parents to help them help their children learn mandated state content.

Bobb said he is appealing to the state Department of Education to use $44 million in unspent federal funding for students who are in poverty, called Title I funds, to pay for the summer school initiative, called the Emergency Student Achievement Summer School Academies.

"What I don't want us to do is lose one nickel," Bobb said.............

http://www.detnews.com/article/20090416/SCHOOLS/904160417/DPS+pumps+$52M+into+summer+school

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Old 04-16-2009, 11:12 AM
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This figure is for a 2-income household.

I'll do the math for you. That an average of $75K apiece.
I'll do the logic for you. Two plumbers married to each other?
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:15 AM
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I did the googling for you too:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States

It's about 50 grand. Welcome to Texas.
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:27 AM
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I cruised through my usual list of left-wing websites this morning expecting to find a bunch of stories of tea party participants acting like fools. There was some of that, but the left-wing coverage seemed somewhat subdued, so maybe there is some legitimacy to this "movement" even though it is funded and promoted by wealthy special interest groups. And yes, I believe Fox News has become a special interest group.

To the extent the tea party people want to influence people like me, they need to distance themselves from Sean Hannity. If he is promoting the movement, then I know it is at least partially fraudulent. I don't have the time or interest to separate which part is legit and which part is phoney.
It was good theatre, the real question is whether they can translate it into votes, that simply has not happened so far. I will tell you one thing, letting Gov Perry of Texas become part of it is as bad as having Hannity and Beck acting as the de facto leader of the thing. Perry is in a re-election race in which the primary voters are probably the nuttiest of the Right Wing Nut Jobs, Texas conservatives, and he has to out-nut job Kay Hutchinson to win. The man raised taxes on businesses here to the point even the lefties are screaming about it, the utter hypocrisy of his statements are stomach turning and an obvious effort to pose as some anti-tax guy, but to then set himself up as Nathan Bedford Cornpone and threaten secession, man, that's going to be widely popular up North, I'll tell ya. Waving Southern battle flags around, etc, they looked like the same old nuts down hear in Texas out in front of the Alamo, if they could just keep it on topic, they would get some where, but in the end they will drown in the same sea of whackoness (or should I say Waco-ness) that Beck is drowning in. Watch out for the FEMA Camps!
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:32 AM
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FINALLY, some sense.

My contention is we (meaning all tax collectors at all levels - Feds, State, Cities) need to fix what is broken first, before:

1. Increased spending
2. Increase taxes

Once the bloating inefficiencies are removed/minimized, THEN I'll be happy to consider backing new projects.
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I spent 11 years finding ways to cut costs without cutting heads/laying off folks for Chrysler. Previously I set up teams of people to fix quality and engineering problems. Our group of internal consultants saved 717,000,000.00 that the accountants would agree was actually saved, that they could document.

Jim Holden and Cathy Oswald lost it all in a year by their management actions to increase the bonuses even though there was no justification. Which is why Juergen Schrempp of Daimler fired them both and sent Dieter Zetsche to Chryslewr, where he thereupon laid off 26,000 people.

Without honest leadership like Bob Lutz and others, there will be no progress.

I hold out little hope.

I truly wonder why more of these people have not been knocked off.

Is it that people have given up hope? They decide they are not worth it?

After people have lost everything, they do get desperate.

But the root of the problem is never addressed.

Put another way: Did the AIG execs ever give up their money?

Or did they just let this blow over?
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Old 04-16-2009, 11:50 AM
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These are Republican Party functions, organized by Fox News. If it was some sort of spontaneous public outcry that included all slices of the population and electorate, they might matter, but it wasn't, it was just more GOP campaign rallies for a campaign that is over, the same crowd of white faces, the same anti-Obama rhetoric, the same mischaracterization and demonization of Democrats as socialists and communists, in the, yawn......
Pure democrat spim--allegation; not proof.
You can't control who jumps on a bandwagon after it is rolling. Repubs who jumped in after the fact should be criticized as much as dems.
The main point is that its NOT repun or dem--they are both doing the same thing. You opposed Bush's overspending, but Obama's is good. Isn't that a littlw hypocritical?
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And THAT is the real question...and answer.

Elections have consequences. People should remember that--no matter how mad you are at the incumbant, there is no guarantee that the alternative is better. There is also no guarantee that the alternative will be worse; only different.
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Whats wrong with Sean Hannity?
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I didn't criticize his bailout. I criticized his war in Iraq. I also criticized what his overspending was on.
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Old 04-16-2009, 12:12 PM
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Pure democrat spim--allegation; not proof.
You can't control who jumps on a bandwagon after it is rolling. Repubs who jumped in after the fact should be criticized as much as dems.
The main point is that its NOT repun or dem--they are both doing the same thing. You opposed Bush's overspending, but Obama's is good. Isn't that a littlw hypocritical?
Spin? As long as you got Beck and Hannity out there in front as the face of this thing, its going to be a Right Wing Thing. To me it is emblematic of the new AM Talk Radio Party. You can't even organize an event without it being done by mouthfoamers who are moving further and further off and out, these guys are now in control of what is becoming a media party, it certainly isn't winning any elections, so it is certainly not an electoral party. And I opposed what Bush spent it on.
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I did the googling for you too:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States

It's about 50 grand. Welcome to Texas.
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Old 04-16-2009, 12:41 PM
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I was also wondering about the deafening silence on this.

Since the top 10% of wage earners pay about 70% of taxes, I say eliminate income taxes for the lower 90% (so those tea Partiers can STFU and get back to work) and impose a federal sales tax to make up the 30% difference. If they can’t make up the difference, do what any responsible business does: Shed waste, inefficiency, i.e., by eliminating unnecessary federal agencies.

These Tea Party folks are justifiably disgruntled, but are quite clueless if they think Obama is the cause of their problem – or, rather, their imagined problems. I saw a news clip of them talking about how Obama “will raise taxes.” Oh yeah, its coming. You wait and see. You betcha – wink wink.
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Old 04-16-2009, 12:58 PM
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I was hoping to see a thread on yesterday's Tea Parties...but nothing. Its as if there is the thought to ignore them and they have no significance.
I was watching the news all day, sadly I was at work. It sure was interesting hearing protesters I agree with... LOL

I thought about making a post in this forum about the Tea Parties, but knowing it would become a bit
I'm glad to hear that some of you are equally pissed at the enormous spending spree the government has been since the election of the "Hopefull One" and understand that "We the People" are the ones who in the end will foot the bill, and with congress and the president ignoring "Middle America" the only way to have a voice is to pull a page from the lefts play book and hold a protest.

For the rest of you who think this is all comes from Fox News, and that the rest of us are crazy. Thats ok too because I thought you all were crazy when you were out protesting Bush. I ignored you and never insulted you. you could return the favor.
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Whats wrong with Sean Hannity?
I was kind of wondering where he was when Bush was running up huge deficits.
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I was watching the news all day, sadly I was at work. It sure was interesting hearing protesters I agree with... LOL

I thought about making a post in this forum about the Tea Parties, but knowing it would become a bit
I'm glad to hear that some of you are equally pissed at the enormous spending spree the government has been since the election of the "Hopefull One" and understand that "We the People" are the ones who in the end will foot the bill, and with congress and the president ignoring "Middle America" the only way to have a voice is to pull a page from the lefts play book and hold a protest.

For the rest of you who think this is all comes from Fox News, and that the rest of us are crazy. Thats ok too because I thought you all were crazy when you were out protesting Bush. I ignored you and never insulted you. you could return the favor.
OK, I'll ignore you. As far as never being insulted over critisizing Bush, you want copies of the death threats I routinely received while protesting Mr. Bush?

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