Well looks like it finally is happening GM is really starting to streamline. Am waiting to hear what they are getting rid of next. I still feel bad for all the people who will be without work.

So they are going to ditch Pontiac? First they said they were, but then last week or so, I heard somewhere that they were not. Hmm.

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Dan
2005 E320 CDI - 246k
1987 300SDL TD05-16g, Herlevi pump, Elbe manifold, 2.47 LSD - 213k
Past: 1987 300D - 264k

It's a shame.

I don't take any pleasure in the demise of the Big 3.

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1980 300TD-China Blue/Blue MBTex-2nd Owner, 107K (Alt Blau) OBK #15
'06 Chevy Tahoe Z71 (for the wife & 4 kids, current mule) '03 Honda Odyssey (son #1's ride, reluctantly) '99 GMC Suburban (255K+ miles, semi-retired mule) 21' SeaRay Seville (summer escape pod)

I have had a lot of fun in Pontiacs from my parents 1963 Catalina (what a nice big fast car that was) to my gf's 1970 GTO to my 1967 GTO convertible. I will miss this division. It is a shame just like when they closed Oldsmobile a lot of history will be gone.

GM did the typical GM thing and could not figure out WHAT a Pontiac was. Was it the sporty division? The family division? The secreatary Special division (ala the Grand AM)

They should have concentrated on building Frebirds and GTOs and not have tried to be an upscale Chevy.

Who is going to be next? I am guessing Hummer and Saturn and maybe Buick will bite the dust leaving Chevy and Caddy as the only ones left standing.

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"I have no convictions ... I blow with the wind, and the prevailing wind happens to be from Vichy"

Current
Monika '74 450 SL
BrownHilda '79 280SL
FoxyCleopatra '99 Chevy Suburban
Scarlett 2014 Jeep Cherokee
Krystal 2004 Volvo S60
Gone
'74 Jeep CJ5
'97 Jeep ZJ Laredo
Rudolf ‘86 300SDL
Bruno '81 300SD
Fritzi '84 BMW
'92 Subaru
'96 Impala SS
'71 Buick GS conv
'67 GTO conv
'63 Corvair conv
'57 Nomad

It's about time

I do. Less money wasted on bailing out a company that has no business being in business.

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01 Ford Excursion Powerstroke
99 E300 Turbodiesel
91 Vette with 383 motor
05 Polaris Sportsman 800 EFI
06 Polaris Sportsman 500 EFI
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Red
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Yellow
04 Tailgator 21 ft Toy Hauler
11 Harley Davidson 883 SuperLow

I belive that hummer has already been confirmed as closing down. I think they are still mulling over Saturn. I know that Volvo has been confirmed.

This is going to be like another New Coke vs Classic Coke situation.

They are going for now...but one day they will be back.

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1982 300GD Carmine Red (DB3535) Cabriolet Parting Out
1990 300SEL Smoke Silver (Parting out)
1991 350SDL Blackberry Metallic (481)

"The thing is Bob, its not that I'm lazy...its that I just don't care."

Volvo is close, but you probably meant Saab. Saab is going as is Saturn and Hummer. Find new homes or get shut down. Well, I do think it is sad, but it has been a long time coming. Goverment mandates, foreign imports, and don't forget the union and design by committee, man you can only carry so much.

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Junqueyardjim
Christianity, if false, is of no importance, and if true, of infinite importance. The only thing it cannot be is moderately important. C.S. Lewis



1983 Mercedes W123 240D 4 Speed 285,000 on the road with a 617 turbo, beautiful butter yellow, license plate # 83 240D INDIANA

2003 Jaguar Type X, AWD. beautiful, good mileage,
Mom's car, but I won't let her drive it!

New coke is back? IIRC, people protested enough and they cut production off.

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01 Ford Excursion Powerstroke
99 E300 Turbodiesel
91 Vette with 383 motor
05 Polaris Sportsman 800 EFI
06 Polaris Sportsman 500 EFI
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Red
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Yellow
04 Tailgator 21 ft Toy Hauler
11 Harley Davidson 883 SuperLow

I thought Pontiac had a pretty defined brand identity in the past 10 years or so - they were positioned as GM's sporty division and had a number of products that were not found elsewhere in the GM lineup - the G8 and the Vibe - as well as the Pontiac Solstice that does have a Saturn version, but I don't know if Saturn is going to survive either. I didn't understand why they selected Pontiac for the cull, and I figured that Buick would be a good one to take out because they overlap both Chevy and Cadillac in terms of positioning. However, Pontiac is only worth about 10% of GM's sales volume. It comes down to the numbers.

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Jonathan

2011 Mazda2
2000 E320 4Matic Wagon
1994 C280 (retired)

They sell a lot of Buicks in China

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'86 300E 5 speed
'71 Triumph TR6
'46 Cushman Scooter
'41 Ford 9N tractor

My dad told me a lot of that popularity comes from the fact that the last emperor had a Buick.

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Whoever said there's nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes never had a cheap Jaguar.

83 300D Turbo with manual conversion, early W126 vented front rotors and H4 headlights 400,xxx miles
08 Suzuki GSX-R600 M4 Slip-on 22,xxx miles
88 Jaguar XJS V12 94,xxx miles. Work in progress.

From what we have seen of the Last Emperor, I think we know what kind of bad decisions he made.

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01 Ford Excursion Powerstroke
99 E300 Turbodiesel
91 Vette with 383 motor
05 Polaris Sportsman 800 EFI
06 Polaris Sportsman 500 EFI
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Red
03 SeaDoo GTX SC Yellow
04 Tailgator 21 ft Toy Hauler
11 Harley Davidson 883 SuperLow

I read in the paper a group including several Saturn dealers were interested in buying the mark.

If I were GM, I'd have Saturn, Chevy, GMC, and Cadillac for the American market. Saturn would be my AtoB brand, Chevy my Acura/BMW brand, GMC my truck brand, and Caddy my Jag/performance brand. The Corvette would move to Caddy, with a ~$15K or so price jump to cover the better quality. A Z06 would be priced comparatively with cars it competes with, like 911 turbos, etc.. Saturn would lose the roadster, which would become Chevy's new powerhouse. Chevy would also get a sport sedan, probably AWD. 2 entry level vehicles, one a sedan and one a smaller car, probably based off a Saturn, but with more amenities.

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1984 300TD

That'll teach 'em what happens when begging to the government for help. The people out-of-work will have to take their lumps too, because of it.