Thank you for gracing me with a response or two Kerry.

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About 8% of the US population are military veterans. That seems far from 'most men'.

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1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
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Excuse me again...I would have thought it much higher than that...I must be hanging around a very special and elite crowd.

Maybe more men should try it then...it might make things go alot smoother all around...not just for schooling but everything in general...

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I've been thinking something similar for some time now.

Maybe a bit more self reliance. Less pissing and moaning, whining and *****ing? Less expectation of handouts? Might be a positive thing.

- Peter.

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Think AmeriCorps.

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1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
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I believe that to be too soft...these kids need to see what it takes to do without, as a team, to be team players, problem solvers for the group and to help each other without regard to one's own safety or well-being...

I don't think that's any part of any AmeriCorps program...

Some of the most humble, but determined individuals I've met are veterans, not some Peace-nic, or Peace-corp Brown-noser...my apologizes to you if you were.

But in a pinch, I think I could keep a candle lit in a huricane better than some of those PCers could keep a torch lit in the same breeze.

And full-timer veterans? They could build their own candles out of string, spit and boogers...and they could make them burn brighter...they have had the experience and best of all - they all learned it together...

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..'77 - 280E - 123.033.12 / > 128.20 K
...'67 - El Camino - 283ci / > 207.00 K
....'75 - Yamaha - 650XS / < 21.00 K
.....'87 - G20 Sportvan / > 206.00 K
......'85 - 4WINNS 160 I.O. / 140hp
.......'74 - Honda CT70 / Real 125
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“I didn’t really say everything I said.”
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+1

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I think I've responded honestly to your posts and backed my assertions with more than hypothetical foot races.

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The reason JR,K and T think you don't get it is that JR posted a quote describing how the project attempted to recreate the attitudes and values of suburban kids in inner city kids. You responded by suggesting that it would not be redundant to attempt to create the attitudes and values of suburban kids in suburban kids. Either you are being deliberately obtuse, or you don't get it. The suburban kids already have attitudes and values that are working for them.
You then responded with a statement about suburban kids possibly being helped by math tutors from Wall Street. This response was irrelevant since the original post was not about math skills but about attitudes and values which help schoolchildren be successful.

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Originally Posted by kerry The reason JR,K and T think you don't get it is that JR posted a quote describing how the project attempted to recreate the attitudes and values of suburban kids in inner city kids.

He did not post a quote.

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You responded by suggesting that it would not be redundant to attempt to create the attitudes and values of suburban kids in suburban kids.

I asked him to describe the values being promoted. Are there many “suburban” kids in NYC?

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Either you are being deliberately obtuse, or you don't get it. The suburban kids already have attitudes and values that are working for them.

Do you really believe that all white (you can drop the “suburban” euphemism) children grow up in supportive healthy environments? And I will say it again, how do you know that white children would not benefit from something if it hasn't been tried?

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You then responded with a statement about suburban kids possibly being helped by math tutors from Wall Street. This response was irrelevant since the original post was not about math skills but about attitudes and values which help schoolchildren be successful.

Your first post described the article as interesting but lacking in details as to how they accomplished their results. Now you claim perfect understanding of their methods.

My post was relevant because the article pointed to the school's success in raising test scores, and the school's founder attributed a large portion of that success to the volunteer math tutors from Wall Street.

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I'm not down with this obsession around worrying about blacks being given breaks in education. The statistics on imprisonment black v. white are not good. The costs of maintaining so many prisons are not attractive. God alone knows exactly why it's that way but some sort of pro-active rather than merely reactive approaches might be cost effective.

A lot of research that indicates that the old 'stitch in time saves nine' cliche actually works with programs like head start.

Perhaps the approach in Harlem will prove to be similar.

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You're right, it wasn't a quote, it was a summary. After I posted my reply to the initial post, I posted an interview with Canada in which he explains his methods, succinctly summarized in JR's post.

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1984 300SD 315k--daughter's car
1979 300SD 122k--sold 2/11
1999 Fuso FG Expedition Camper
1993 GMC Sierra 6.5 TD 4x4
1982 Bluebird Wanderlodge CAT 3208--Sold 2/13

Your backing being a study of 26,000 kids, of which none were attending the school in question?

You assert more time in school is an advantage over other kids, but you ignore that the playing field is not level. You further ignore that some of that extra time is spent not learning in a classroom, but in creating an environment other kids already have.

In what way is more time in school an advantage over kids ahead of them academically?



Subruban is not a euphemism, economics is the real issue in education.
Kids who don't concern themselves over where their next meal is coming from, or getting shot on the way home from school have an environment more conducive to learning than those who have those concerns. Schools that have parents that actively participate are better for kids than ones that don't.

As for whether white kids, or all kids, would benefit from the charter school style education is something that is beyond the scope of Promise Academy and is open for debate.

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The army can't take everyone, just based on sheer numbers alone, not even looking at qualifications.

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True...but there should be some method of instilling teamwork and cooperation, where there's no bully except for a "DI" style of authority...therefore, the smallest in the group isn't eaten alive by the largest...they end up using each other for support against the "DI" instead of sustenance in order to get past the "DI" and his techiques...that's what the schools are suppose to be doing...but we've managed to neuter them to the point that it's almost like the kids are the "insane" running the asylum...

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'10 - Dakota SXT - Daily Ride / ≈ 172.5K
.'76 - 450SLC - 107.024.12 / < .89.20 K
..'77 - 280E - 123.033.12 / > 128.20 K
...'67 - El Camino - 283ci / > 207.00 K
....'75 - Yamaha - 650XS / < 21.00 K
.....'87 - G20 Sportvan / > 206.00 K
......'85 - 4WINNS 160 I.O. / 140hp
.......'74 - Honda CT70 / Real 125
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“I didn’t really say everything I said.”
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