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Old 05-12-2009, 10:14 AM
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John Demjanjuk

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PJB: The True Haters

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On Good Friday, John Demjanjuk, 89 and gravely ill, was ordered deported to Germany to stand trial as an accessory to the murder of 29,000 Jews — at Sobibor camp in Poland.

Sound familiar? It should. It is a re-enactment of the 1986 extradition of John Demjanjuk to Israel to be tried for the murder of 870,000 Jews — at Treblinka camp in Poland.

How many men in the history of this country have been so relentlessly pursued and remorselessly persecuted?

The ordeal of this American Dreyfus began 30 years ago.

In 1979, the Office of Special Investigations (OSI) at Justice, goaded and guided by Yuri Andropov’s KGB, was persuaded that Demjanjuk was “Ivan the Terrible,” a huge, brutal, sadistic guard at Treblinka, who bashed in babies’ heads and slashed off women’s breasts, as he drove hundreds of thousands of Jews into the gas chambers.

Demjanjuk’s defense was simple: I was never at Treblinka.

Yet, a dozen survivors, shown a photo spread, identified him as the beast of Treblinka. In 1986, OSI had him extradited to Israel. In 1988, he was convicted and sentenced to death. The greatest Holocaust monster since Mengele was to be hanged.

His family, friends and lawyers did not give up. They scoured Europe and, in the last days of the Soviet Union, struck pay dirt. In Moscow’s files on Treblinka they discovered a photo of the real “Ivan,” a far bigger, more mature man than the 23-year-old Demjanjuk in 1943.

Ivan Marchenko was positively identified as Ivan the Terrible.

To its eternal credit, Israel’s Supreme Court threw aside the verdict and stopped Demjanjuk from being the first man hanged in Jerusalem since Adolf Eichmann in 1961.

A humiliated OSI, through its Israeli friends, now asked the court to authorize a new trial, charging Demjanjuk with having been a guard at Sobibor — during the same time they previously charged he had been at Treblinka.

What OSI was admitting was that its case against Demjanjuk, to see him hang from the gallows as “Ivan the Terrible,” had been based on flimsy or falsified evidence and worthless or perjured testimony.

Replied the court, we don’t do double jeopardy here in Israel.

Demjanjuk was released. And the grin of the jailer who opened his cell testified that many in Israel never accepted the charge that this simple man was some unrivaled devil of the Holocaust.

So, after 13 years, the last four on death row reflecting on his hanging for horrors he never committed, Demjanjuk came home to Cleveland, a free man. His citizenship was restored.

Though disgraced, OSI was not ready to throw in its hand. For it had been dealt a new card by its old comrades in the KGB.

The new evidence was a signed statement by one “Danilchenko,” who claimed to have been a guard at Sobibor and had worked with Demjanjuk. As this document would have blown up the Treblinka case in Jerusalem, OSI had withheld it from the defense.

Another document turned up suggesting that Demjanjuk had indeed, after training at Trawniki camp, been assigned to Sobibor.

When the defense asked to interrogate “Danilchenko,” to verify he had made and signed the statement and to question him on details, they were told this was not possible. Seems Danilchenko had died after signing.

So, after the first 13 years of his ordeal took him right up to a gallows in Jerusalem, Demjanjuk has now been pursued for another 17 years by an OSI that will not rest until he has been convicted, somewhere, of genocide.

And so we come to today.

Demjanjuk is to be taken to Germany and prosecuted as an accessory to the murder of 29,000 Jews at Sobibor — though not one living person can place him at that camp and not even the German prosecutor will say that he ever hurt anyone. One witness in Israel, who was at Sobibor and says he knew all the camp guards, says he never saw Demjanjuk there.

http://buchanan.org/blog/pjb-the-true-haters-1495
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I dont know. Seems to me that if the Israeli supreme court exonerated him they should give it a rest.

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If this person is innocent and it looks like that is the case based on the eyewitness in Israel, then Mr Demjanjuk should go free. Maybe the best thing would be for him to go on trial and expose the ill treatment he has been getting for the past 30 years.

I hope this is the case.

If he really is a concentration camp guard, then he deserves to be punished. Germany has no death penalty so he would be looking at spending the rest of his life behind bars. In my opinion, anybody who worked at these camps should be given the same treatment - gassed and burned-
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It's not the Israelis going after him this time, it's the Germans.
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Not the first time Buchanan has been involved in defending Demjanjuk:

http://www.holocaust-history.org/~jamie/buchanan/
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Not the first time Buchanan has been involved in defending Demjanjuk:
What's your point Kerry and what does that have to do with Demjanjuk's guilt or innocence?
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Buchanan initially defended Demjanjuk on entirely different grounds; that diesel engine fumes he was alleged to have used couldn't kill. He now defends him on grounds that he wasn't there.
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Someone should just cap him quietly one night and be done with it....
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Buchanan initially defended Demjanjuk on entirely different grounds; that diesel engine fumes he was alleged to have used couldn't kill. He now defends him on grounds that he wasn't there.
Buchanan was challenging the credibility of eyewitness testimony which did prove to be unreliable in Demjanjuk's previous trial. Do you have a link to any statement by Buchanan where he admits to Demjanjuk being at Treblinka?
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Buchanan was challenging the credibility of eyewitness testimony which did prove to be unreliable in Demjanjuk's previous trial. Do you have a link to any statement by Buchanan where he admits to Demjanjuk being at Treblinka?
The current case against Demjanjuk is not related to Treblinka. It is claimed he was a guard at Sobibor.
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The current case against Demjanjuk is not related to Treblinka. It is claimed he was a guard at Sobibor.
Your link quotes Buchanan from 1990.
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If this person is innocent and it looks like that is the case based on the eyewitness in Israel, then Mr Demjanjuk should go free. Maybe the best thing would be for him to go on trial and expose the ill treatment he has been getting for the past 30 years.

I hope this is the case.

If he really is a concentration camp guard, then he deserves to be punished. Germany has no death penalty so he would be looking at spending the rest of his life behind bars. In my opinion, anybody who worked at these camps should be given the same treatment - gassed and burned-
According to a US District Court, he was a member of the SS, so according to US law he was not eligible for entry into the US in the first place - we are not convicting him of any crime, we are deporting him back to his homeland. Let them figure it out.

I found this Wiki article pretty informative on the guy, while what he was actually doing is up for conjecture, the man was a definitely a member of the SS:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Demjanjuk

He has a scar right where the ID tattoo goes, something one might be able to explain away as coincidental, but damn hard to explain away given all the other evidence that points his way as well. The guy is SS. While Waffen SS combat veterens might deserve some mercy, General SS personnel should be exterminated, the same fate they wished on the Jews. Let the Germans figure out what flavor he is, and let them deal with it.

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I say let Germany deal with him. One way, or the other, justice will finally be served.
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According to a US District Court, he was a member of the SS, so according to US law he was not eligible for entry into the US in the first place - we are not convicting him of any crime, we are deporting him back to his homeland.
According to an appeals court decision in 1998, the government acted recklessly and withheld exculpatory evidence in its case against Demjanjuk and his citizenship was restored. Germany isn't his homeland.
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