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Are you sure you're not a politician, or a college professor? The more you explain, the less I know what side of the issue you favor. I think we agree on some and disagree on other aspects of the Constitutional issue, but agreeably so.
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If he's smart he'll appoint someone younger so they can serve longer.
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While I think judges need to stick to the text of the Constitution, I don't think it's feasible to expect the Constitution to remain cast in stone. To a certain extent, its continued vitality depends on the good faith of the justices on the Supreme Court. If they go off the reservation and start re-writing it, we're screwed. Fortunately, that hasn't happened. We just need to be sure to put people of integrity up there. |
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Agree with you on the "persons of integrity". Where would you find such persons?
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Can you point me to the place in the constitution where it gives the government the right to confiscate private property because it would serve to enhance the revenue stream of the government? You also mentioned that the right uses judicial activism more than the left, I'd be interested in your most extreme example of right wing judicial activism.
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Can you cite reasons why that decision was wrong? Or not rendered in good faith? Quote:
In 1999, the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals, known as the most politically conservative circuit court in the country, issued a ruling overruling the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling in Miranda v. Arizona. I think that qualifies as extreme, especially since circuit courts have no authority to overturn Supreme Court decisions. Another example is from the late 80s. A lady sued her employer alleging racial discrimination. She relied on a civil rights statute enacted during Reconstruction. She prevailed at trial and in the appeals court. Several years earlier, there had been some uncertainty about whether the statute applied to the type of discrimination she alleged. That uncertainty, however, had been resolved through a series of court rulings. By the time her case came along, none of the parties disputed the legal basis for her claim. The dispute was about whether this employer had violated the statute. When the case made it to the Supreme Court, Justice Rehnquist announced that he didn't like the way the courts had settled the issue and he wanted to raise it again, even though none of the litigants had raised it. He essentially inserted himself into the case as a litigant. Maybe his interpretation of that civil rights statute was correct, but he took an activist role in promoting his view. Another example of judicial activism is Justice Clarence Thomas's entire approach to legal analysis. According the Justice Scalia, Justice Thomas doesn't believe in stare decisis, the well established principle that courts should honor past rulings, even when they disagree with them. Stare decisis is not a binding doctrine. It doesn't say that prior rulings can't be overturned, but it does caution judges to avoid overturning prior rulings when they can. It is a foundational principle of our legal system. It's been around for centuries. Well, apparently Justice Thomas prefers not to follow it. He is an arrogant, activist jerk. He never should have been appointed to the Court. I would also say that judicial activism is not always bad. Brown v. Board of Education was probably an activist decision. So were many of the Warren Court decisions about the rights of the accused. EDIT: Thomas's aversion to stare decisis might be limited to Constitutional matters, which is probably not quite as extreme a position. He is still an arrogant, activist jerk. IMHO, of course. Last edited by Honus; 05-15-2009 at 10:41 AM. |
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Let me throw two more at you (off the top of my head, no research required....) I'm guessing you are OK with the recent decision of the supreme court on extending constitutional protections to enemy combatants? How do you feel about maybe the worst case of judicial activism in our history - the supreme courts interpretations under the interstate commerce clause? I'm guessing you think the framers intended that the interpretations of modern courts reflect the intent of that clause when it was written?
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Wouldn't be the first time, but there is a big difference between wrong and activist.
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That Connecticut decision seems wrong to me, but how would I know? These answers are not the sort of thing you just figure out on your own. You have to read the Constitution, the cases, and the statutes to find out what the law is. Even then, there is no guarantee that you will get it right. Quote:
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You would have had a 50-50 shot at guessing what I think about that issue, but your bias about me apparently pushed you to one side. Your guess is wrong. I think those decisions are an example of activism gone too far. It seems as if the Court has recently tried to limit the scope of the Commerce Clause, which is probably a good thing. I find it very strange that you would guess the preferences of a perfect stranger. Last edited by Honus; 05-16-2009 at 03:07 PM. |
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Is there a point to this thread?
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It started off talking about the upcoming Supreme Court nomination process and turned into a discussion of judicial activism. Seems like a reasonable segue to me, at least by OD standards.
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Isn't that the truth.... At least it's still free of, well nevermind, don't want to jinx it
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Started out claiming it would be a circus and that the attacks by the opposition would lack merit. It seemed to me to bait those that do not agree with your views.
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If you say so.
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