Acorn
Acorn came up as a tangent to the the pro-life thread. It doesn't really relate to the abortion issue, but it does seem like something that can get a good fight going here (note that I said "good" fight, not just a fight), so I thought I would start a new thread.
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I raise this question not in defense of Acorn, but to question the good faith of the mostly Republican people raising the alarm about voter fraud. It seems to me that tougher voter registration laws such as the Indiana law recently upheld by the Supreme Court will cause more harm than good. People who should be entitled to vote will be unable to meet the requirements, we know that for sure, but it is not clear that any fraudulent votes will be prevented. I have always had trouble understanding how an organization like Acorn could cause enough fraudulent votes to be cast to change the outcome of an election. For one thing, who are these people willing to risk going to jail just for the opportunity to cast a single illicit vote? It doesn't add up. Based on a google search, I gather that MedMech's list came from a website called "Rotten Acorn" - http://rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html I don't know who is behind that website. |
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The lawsuits they posted are. I can't say the same about the Cowboys. |
I read through the list. How is it that there are no suits against ACORN proper?
Presumably it would be easy as pie to "flip" any number of the folks who falsified the registrations if they were instructed by their superiors, contractors, etc. to intentionally submit false voter registrations. |
Some confused souls confuse allegations with judgements.....
Duh! |
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Rotten Acorn might be completely reliable, but based on the information provided so far, it is a list of allegations. I don't say that to denigrate the website, just to point out that we can't assume that the hearsay the website presents is established as true. |
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I've seen the same thing work in reverse in a South Carolina Senate race where the GOP used college students to perform the same chicanery. |
Then I suppose it remains unproven what, if any culpability, the national organization has for the actions of the third parties. There is certainly precident for prosecuting wrongdoing by ACORN if it exists under RICO or other statutes, particularly if they co-conspired by failing to report illegal activity.
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I could care less--just pointing out why it may not be easy as pie to flip one's superiors. We have all sorts of voter fraud suits going year round in the South--I sort of accept it as a fact of life. Hell, the Republicans even have an overwhelmingly stupid one going here right now trying to keep the blacks down by attempting to require voters to present ID:confused: Talk about a waste of money. Morris Dees' buddies are getting paid though. I doubt any sitting AUSAs are interested much in losing their jobs over going after ACORN with RICO:D |
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Acorn is a victim of fraud? That's a crock. If so, they sure seem to go out of their way to be "victimized" every time an election cycle comes around. Did any of Acorn's fraudulent registrations actually vote? Hell if I know. Show me where I claimed that they did..... Trying to prove how many fraudulent voters got away with it is like trying to prove how many drivers got away with running stopsigns today. A couple of things are certain, however. For one, Acorn has been involved in attempted voter fraud many, many times, and not just in the recent election. For another, it appears that a hell of a lot of Democrats are more than willing to accept attempted voter fraud as simply business as usual. (If the shoe fits, ......) Why does Acorn keep trying this scam? Again, hell if I know. Maybe it is intended as a tactic of disruption. If so, you can thank Saul Alinsky for that one. (Say, didn't Obama teach seminars in Alinsky tactics)? Maybe they are probing to see what they can get away with, maybe in preparation for a Hugo Chavez banana republic style election. Attempted voter fraud is a crime. You're supposed to be a lawyer, I'm surprised you didn't know that. :rolleyes: WMD's didn't exist?? Some of them certainly did. Sodem Hussein used them on Iran as well as on his own people. Too bad for your side the mofo is dead. I'm sure Obama would love to have invited him over for tea and cookies. |
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As I said before, I don't know whether Acorn is a good organization, but I resent the GOP using Acorn to help stifle legitimate voters. The Indiana voter registration law upheld by the Supreme Court will almost certainly disenfranchise a larger number of legitimate voters than it will prevent fraudulent votes. The scandal here is not Acorn, it is the hypocritical and anti-democratic (note the small "d") efforts of the GOP to disenfranchise voters. Quote:
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Here's some fun viewing: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/05/barney-frank-faces-down-bachmann-on-acorn-funding.php?ref=fpa
Barney Frank asks a good question: If Acorn is such a left-wing organization, why did it receive millions of dollars from the Bush administration while the GOP controlled Congress? |
Not ACORN related, but here in MD, Casa Maryland is alleged to work it this way:
State bans the use of photo ID for voter identification. Illegal immigrants come to MD, and are directed to the office of a local office. Here they are issued an ID and the name and address of a democrat voter. Presumably a voter who will not be using that name and address, but are still on the roles. As to whether or not any of this is true, I cannot say. I know that state does not allow any form of photo ID to be used, and the state has tried to lengthen the days and times that the polls are open. For a state as small as Maryland, this seems to be only to allow more voting fraud--you can drive anywhere in this state in 5 hours; you can drive completyt across it, depending on where you choose in anywhere from 15 minutes to an hour or so. ( Alowing days for voting would make it bus caravans of fraudulent voters quite possible. Like I said, I cannot vouch for any of the fraud allegations. I have heard them from people who claim to know, and who are attempting to stop it. Are they completely truthful?--who knows. This much I do know---allowing illegals to vote is every bit as much voter fraud as preventing citizens from voting--both are wrong. |
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