Most Americans, me included, do.

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Your motives?

Did you identify with my comments?

Interesting.......



What about the clean air? Want any of that?

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Clean air is great.
The question is NOT clean air, but how much more $$$ for what actual benefit. I hear that we are trying to clean up a fraction of the last 2%. What if that fraction costs more than the first 98+% that we have already eliminated? What is the cost/benefit?

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Fella's,
Read up on this article sometime >>
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/01/co2_fairytales_in_global_warmi.html

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Good thing we all now know that MMGW is a myth, based on carbon levels and temperatures sampled from one source from a period when no humans existed. Yet all the correlations and much more accurate data from the last 200 years is meaningless, since it doesn't coincide with the oil industry's agenda.

Now if I were to take that article seriously, I'd want to know this:
1. What was the particulate count and solar radiation level during the alleged period when CO2 was high and temperatures moderate?
2. How many species went extinct vs. how many thrived?
3. What happened to the sea levels around what are today heavily populated areas?

Until those are resolved, the author can make no claim whatsoever that high CO2 levels will not harm today's 6+ billion people.

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Most Americans do, especially those who dismiss MMGW. Just an observation.

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I call it an ad homium--the kind of argument you use when you run out of facts and logic.

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I'm not going to argue any one specific point anymore...

Just a few general statements to put this whole GW/GC/Gzzzzzz????? argument to bed...

* - The earth's crust is a SERIES of plates, floating on a molten core...

* - As such, plates collide into one another, plates separate from one another, plates slide over/under one another...take a simple paper plate, float it in a tub of water and press down on one side...what happens? Let's assume the pressed-on side of the plate is Venice, where is the location of the raised side? Is it directly 180° from the side we're pressing on, or is it spread around the perimeter of the plate?

* - All land mass has at one time or another been under water...either Bibilically speaking or forensically speaking...how do/could we prevent anything on that scale? And we're trying to control climate? You might as well fart, catch it, paint it green and bottle it...it would be a whole lot easier...

* - The earth has gone through MANY changes of cooling/warming and will continue to do so, with/without our help or hinderance...either we adapt or we end up dead/extinct. The earth is bigger than man ever will be...us being able to change the weather is like us making the Titanic unsinkable...as long as there's gravity, we are nothing more a fly-speck on the tale of a whale...and as expendable...

Count me as one of those that believes GW/GC is a reality...but as much as we think we are god-like in being able to control it...we aren't and we never will be. If the Lefto-Commy-Greens keep screaming long and loud enough...anyone in the US that's not on their side will be walking and eathing grass from their front lawns (assuming their property hasn't been confiscated by the Government) and the "in-folks" will be thumbing their noses at us as they drive by in their little econo-snack-boxes as they try to live the high-life...

It's just a matter of who's in power when the edicts come on down from on high...

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I don't think so. Our energy use is way over everyone else on the planet except for a few countries in near Arctic climes.

During the first few days of OIF, I was channel surfing and it was a bit surreal to go from scenes of our guys risking their lives to essentially insure our access to Iraqi oil to some NASCAR pit guys frantically changing tires, etc. so they could get their gas guzzling entertainment vehicle back into action.

Burning petrol in the coliseum. Wholesale. Makes a big noise. Whoopee.

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In the abstract, general condition, I agree with you.
I called you out on it when you made it personal, telling me that my choices were excessive. You have no concept of my life-style choices, or my energy use. I tend to be, as the Scots would say, "thrifty".
As for NASCAR--when they stopped using production vehicles that were modified for racing safety, powered by racing versions of production engines, they lost me. The sport no longert has any relevance to the products that the car makers actually sell. They used to use a motto, " Win on Sunday, sell on Monday" to show how racing improved the sales, as well as the products, themselves. No longer true. Nowhere that I drive are all the turns in the same direction. Not reality!

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A little update.

I'm starting to believe that this cooling trend will be longer and more intense than I previously thought. Previously I thought that global warming had temporarily paused because the Sun's radiation has been weak lately. While I think that's still mostly true, it doesn't tell the whole story. Apparently there's this thing called the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (probably driven by the Sun) that cycles approx. every 30 years and we are supposedly just entering the cool phase. This oscillation affects the distribution of heat throughout the planet and apparently the global mean temperature as well. Recently I came across this site that actually seems reasonably objective & logical, unlike most of the other "denier" websites.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10783

There they talk about the 30-year Pacific cycle. Even though the author dismisses CO2 as playing any significant role, his projection still shows a long-term warming trend which he doesn't explain:



Even Germany's Institute of Marine Sciences acknowledges that the climate will likely cool for at least the next 10 years, even though they maintain that man-made CO2 will eventually overcome this natural and temporary cooling effect.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aU.evtnk6DPo&refer=worldwide

I still have no doubt that man-made CO2 and other greenhouse gases are having an effect, not only on temperatures but things like ocean acidity. The big question that probably no one can answer with any certainty is how big that effect is, at least on temperatures. I'm sure we'll know more within a few decades from now. The funny thing is that none of this really changes what we should be doing, and that is reducing our dependence on this finite resource known as oil and finding cleaner, renewable and preferably domestic sources of energy.

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Recent predictions of sun spot and solar winds peaks around 2012 have been lowered also.

I did not like what the next solar manximum was starting to look like.

The last one took out the power in most of Canada and parts of north america.

They were predicting a much worse solar storm for 2012.
But have now reduced their predictions.

Find some pics of what the last solar max did to the magnitosphere.

Simply amazing, and quite scary.

We are still feeling the ripple effect in things like skin cancer rates.

Solar flux index today is 69, which is rock bottom. That's where it has been for the last year or so. We are over a year into the new 11 year solar cycle, and the solar flux is still at rock bottom. Normally it should be hitting around 100 or so at this point in the solar cycle. Some people are even starting to speak in terms of a possible Maunder Minimum. Talk about yer basic global cooling, Brrrrr... AlGore will be soooo disappointed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder_minimum

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Yup, somewhere I saw another graph that showed current solar activity is the weakest it's been in the last 30 years or so. So the cooling kind of makes sense. But just because the climate might be cooling off now and in the foreseeable future doesn't mean there was never any human effect. However I suspect the IPCC might have overestimated the role of man-made greenhouse gases or underestimated the natural variables. We'll know more in several years. Hansen at NASA is still saying that man-made CO2 will overcome this cooling effect within 7 years even if the Sun remains stuck at the current minimum, i.e. there will be no mini ice age. We'll see.

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