H1N1, Jobs and the Sweet Potato Crop

[MTI]

Shortage of Legal Migrant Workers Creates Demand for Farmers

“I’m sorry to tell you, there aren’t any local people who apply to do farm work,” Vick said. “No sir. Even now, with people out of work. I hate to say it, but the work is too difficult, and most Americans just don’t want to do it.”

[DieselAddict]

Pay a real living wage, and Americans will line up to do farm work. It's quite sad to hear Americans complain about illegal immigrants when they're more than happy to employ them and buy cheap veggies harvested by them.

[MTI]

Originally Posted by DieselAddict

Pay a real living wage, and Americans will line up to do farm work.

Or is it that conditions haven't worsened to the point where they will take those jobs?

[450slcguy]

Originally Posted by DieselAddict

Pay a real living wage, and Americans will line up to do farm work.

Not a mention of how much the job pays. Probably $3 bucks an hour, if that.

Would you break your back in the fields for $3 an hour or $120 a week? In the least, job should pay minimum legal wage.

Cheap bastards, I hope their potatoes rot in the field.

[TylerH860]

Originally Posted by 450slcguy

Not a mention of how much the job pays. Probably $3 bucks an hour, if that.

Would you break your back in the fields for $3 an hour or $120 a week? In the least, job should pay minimum legal wage.

Cheap bastards, I hope their potatoes rot in the field.

They are talking about legal migrant workers, right? I think they have to pay higher than $3.00 an hour.

I wonder which farmer will be first to double their labor rate to attract less productive Americans to work on their farm? Keep in mind they don't set crop prices and will have to compete with other farmers with cheaper, harder working labor. Or would you like to pay $5.00 for a single potato?

[John Doe]

Originally Posted by MTI

“I’m sorry to tell you, there aren’t many insurance defense attorneys that feel guilt about denying valid claims,” Vick said. “No sir. Even now, with people out of work. I hate to say it, but most of us pretend socially we are liberals that are for individual rights, but to pay the bills we suck on the teet of the foot that keeps the man down.”

The Humanity.

[Larry Delor]

Grow your own, if you can.

[450slcguy]

Originally Posted by TylerH860

I wonder which farmer will be first to double their labor rate to attract less productive Americans to work on their farm? Keep in mind they don't set crop prices and will have to compete with other farmers with cheaper, harder working labor. Or would you like to pay $5.00 for a single potato?

Complete nonsense.

Just like any culture, there are productive workers and there are lazy workers. To label American workers less productive than Mexican laborers is just plain ignorant and wrong.

Do you consider yourself less productive than your Mexican counterparts or are you the exception? Doesn't matter what field your in, the concept is the same.

[450slcguy]

Originally Posted by TylerH860

They are talking about legal migrant workers, right? I think they have to pay higher than $3.00 an hour.

I very much doubt migrant workers are paid minimum wage. Their little more than slave laborers. Most migrants send the money earned back to Mexico where $100 a week is a living wage. In the US, you'd be living in a cardboard box eating out of the trash can.

[TylerH860]

Originally Posted by 450slcguy

Complete nonsense.

Just like any culture, there are productive workers and there are lazy workers. To label American workers less productive than Mexican laborers is just plain ignorant and wrong.

Do you consider yourself less productive than your Mexican counterparts or are you the exception? Doesn't matter what field your in, the concept is the same.

I know for a fact I'm not as productive as them with this kind of manual labor, nor would I work for what they pay. I wouldn't consider myself lazy either.

There really is no right answer to the immigration issue. That's why it sparks such debate.

[TylerH860]

Originally Posted by 450slcguy

Just like any culture, there are productive workers and there are lazy workers. To label American workers less productive than Mexican laborers is just plain ignorant and wrong.

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Just for reference to people with infractions the quote above is how you indirectly insult someone so you don't get in trouble.

Could you work just as hard and be as productive for what they pay? I have some experience with my work with temp workers... never, never had an issue with them, they work hard and never complain. My office is elbow deep in unemployment claims from lazy American workers who could walk into any other fast food restaurant and find employment, but would rather live off the system for 3 months.

[jplinville]

Cut off the supply of the illegal workers, and wages will increase. The farmer would be forced to pay the legal minimum wage to start just to get legal workers willing to do the job.

What's this crap about living wages? If you want to make more than minimum wage, the educate yourself in a trade and pursue it.

[450slcguy]

Originally Posted by TylerH860

Just for reference to people with infractions the quote above is how you indirectly insult someone so you don't get in trouble..

You insult American laborers and your concerned about my comment? Too bad, I stand by my statement. If it bothers you that much, complain to the mods.

Originally Posted by TylerH860

Could you work just as hard and be as productive for what they pay?

If that was my chosen occupation, absolutly without a doubt.

Originally Posted by TylerH860

.I have some experience with my work with temp workers... never, never had an issue with them, they work hard and never complain. My office is elbow deep in unemployment claims from lazy American workers who could walk into any other fast food restaurant and find employment, but would rather live off the system for 3 months.

Probably illegal aliens who have false employment documents. I'm sure you'll deny that, but I've been around long enough to know how they work the system.

[TylerH860]

Originally Posted by 450slcguy

You insult American laborers and your concerned about my comment? Too bad, I stand by my statement. If it bothers you that much, complain to the mods.

If that was my chosen occupation, absolutly without a doubt.

Probably illegal aliens who have false employment documents. I'm sure you'll deny that, but I've been around long enough to know how they work the system.

No on the illegal part, I don't care if you believe me.

And, yes, you would be an exception, and there are a few. Based on my actual experience with 40+ stores the company I work for owns, the average American $6-7 dollar an hour worker can't hold a candle to the average $6-7 foreign worker. Generally the Americans are young (usually immature) or the bottom feeder morons/criminals of society. Most Americans with half a brain know they can find better work than fast food. Again, of course, there are exceptions.

What is your experience? Obviously you would be more productive than most foreign laborers, but I imagine you're smart enough and more capable to find a better job. The average American labor force commands a much higher wage than we are willing to pay. That leaves teenagers, losers, and foreign workers to do the cheap, crappy jobs we don't want to do, with some exceptions.

To puff one's chest out and say that Americans are superior in every way is truly ignorant. Unless you want to pay $15-20 an hour to get a hard working American (making the cost of everything we buy triple in the process) you are not going to get the same caliber of worker.

[MTI]

Originally Posted by John Doe

The Humanity.

Wow, I don't know if I should feel honored at all the time and attention JD is giving me . . . or creep'd out.