Whoa, how do you reform youth like this? - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

cmac2012 · #1 07-16-2009, 12:46 AM

I used to live and work in the town the suspects are from, White Center, WA, a rough neighborhood south of Seattle:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009425320_webpitbull06m.html

Kids managed to sic their pit bull on a woman who criticized them for kicking and beating the dog.

mgburg · #2 07-16-2009, 01:09 AM

Until I read that it was a girl, my first thought was tie a steak on the groin of the stripped-down offender, then let the pitbull have a free lunch...

Now that I see it's some chick with an attitude...I'm torn...

She's already had deep chit done to her...it seems she's beyond repair...

I'd tag her and keep her in lockup the maximum possible for the age she's at...then when she reaches the age of "adulthood" ( and I'm using the term VERY LOOSELY...

)...there has to be some law that allows further sanctions...like she's on hook for the medical UNTIL IT'S COMPLETELY PAID UP...100%!

Then, she needs to be sent away if she screws up just once more...spitting on the sidewalk should be the MINIMUM LEVEL of allowable recidivisim...she's over the edge now, the way it is...

MTUpower · #3 07-16-2009, 08:36 AM

Siberia.

pj67coll · #4 07-16-2009, 10:37 AM

Bullet in the nape of the neck.

- Peter.

Txjake · #5 07-16-2009, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by pj67coll

Bullet in the nape of the neck.

- Peter.

x2

link · #6 07-16-2009, 11:52 AM

A friend knows this area and calls is the slimiest part of Seattle. She says that from mugging to shooting, it all happens around White Center. When the temps come up and the rain stops, things get lots worse. From what she added, the broader problems the area faces are much the same as in any poor and crime ridden suburb.

But that has little to do with the perp, directly. I think what the report says – time in detention - is a practical solution. In addition, the girl should never again be permitted to have anything to do with animals.

Sadly, nothing can be done to stop this kind of behavior. As long as culture encourages violence, and ignorant parents teach their children abusive behaviors, ignorance and hostile arrogance become normal behaviors.

As a couple of volunteered cases in point, look at a the “deep thinkers” in this thread who espouse that a reckless youth should be murdered in cold blood. They must take pride in being role models for abuse. People such as they are probably a lot like the parents of children portrayed in the OP’s article.

It is disgusting and highly unusual that a child, in particular a female child would commit this kind of act. It hints heavily at a chemical imbalance.

But whatever the true causes, they pail by comparison to a life that shows the thought processes which espouse murder in retaliation for recklessness. An adult stating this kind of thing shows pretty clear signs of deeply seated mental issues.

Txjake · #7 07-16-2009, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by link

A friend knows this area and calls is the slimiest part of Seattle. She says that from mugging to shooting, it all happens around White Center. When the temps come up and the rain stops, things get lots worse. From what she added, the broader problems the area faces are much the same as in any poor and crime ridden suburb.

But that has little to do with the perp, directly. I think what the report says – time in detention - is a practical solution. In addition, the girl should never again be permitted to have anything to do with animals.

Sadly, nothing can be done to stop this kind of behavior. As long as culture encourages violence, and ignorant parents teach their children abusive behaviors, ignorance and hostile arrogance become normal behaviors.

As a couple of volunteered cases in point, look at a the “deep thinkers” in this thread who espouse that a reckless youth should be murdered in cold blood. They must take pride in being role models for abuse. People such as they are probably a lot like the parents of children portrayed in the OP’s article.

It is disgusting and highly unusual that a child, in particular a female child would commit this kind of act. It hints heavily at a chemical imbalance.

But whatever the true causes, they pail by comparison to a life that shows the thought processes which espouse murder in retaliation for recklessness. An adult stating this kind of thing shows pretty clear signs of deeply seated mental issues.

good grief, taking yourself a little too seriously this am aren't you?

What should be done with dangerous members of society that cannot be rehabilitated?

BTW, if the bullet in the nape of the neck would be done by the government, that would be punishment, not murder....

tbomachines · #8 07-16-2009, 12:13 PM

Unfortunately, looks like a person who will be in and out of prison their whole life. I predict recidivism after whatever she gets. The root problem, as link touched on, is the parenting and culture in neighborhoods like these. If daddy is in a gang, and gangs are cool, that means daddy is cool, and I want to be just like daddy. If guns, drugs, and violence are commonplace, plus the idea that it is "ok" to drop out of school, etc. that is exactly where the next generation heads and accepts. Sad, sad, sad. I know that some people get the picture and "make it", but there are just as many who see no future for themselves. Visibility is a big part of it.

pj67coll · #9 07-16-2009, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by link

But whatever the true causes, they pail by comparison to a life that shows the thought processes which espouse murder in retaliation for recklessness. An adult stating this kind of thing shows pretty clear signs of deeply seated mental issues.

BS.

- Peter.

#10 07-16-2009, 03:06 PM

Part of me really feels bad for the kind of upbringing this child must have had. But really she should be locked away for the rest of her life. There will be plenty of time for her to heal her emotional wounds while protecting the rest of society. Some people can be helped others are just evil.

dynalow · #11 07-16-2009, 03:44 PM

"Whoa, how do you reform youth like this?"

With a 2x4...over and over again.

alabbasi · #12 07-16-2009, 04:20 PM

An innocent dog was probably destroyed because of this. What a shame.

cmac2012 · #13 07-16-2009, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by link

A friend knows this area and calls is the slimiest part of Seattle. She says that from mugging to shooting, it all happens around White Center. When the temps come up and the rain stops, things get lots worse. From what she added, the broader problems the area faces are much the same as in any poor and crime ridden suburb.

But that has little to do with the perp, directly. I think what the report says – time in detention - is a practical solution. In addition, the girl should never again be permitted to have anything to do with animals.

Sadly, nothing can be done to stop this kind of behavior. As long as culture encourages violence, and ignorant parents teach their children abusive behaviors, ignorance and hostile arrogance become normal behaviors.

As a couple of volunteered cases in point, look at a the “deep thinkers” in this thread who espouse that a reckless youth should be murdered in cold blood. They must take pride in being role models for abuse. People such as they are probably a lot like the parents of children portrayed in the OP’s article.

It is disgusting and highly unusual that a child, in particular a female child would commit this kind of act. It hints heavily at a chemical imbalance.

But whatever the true causes, they pail by comparison to a life that shows the thought processes which espouse murder in retaliation for recklessness. An adult stating this kind of thing shows pretty clear signs of deeply seated mental issues.

Regular readers of my column will probably remember that I was a conscientious objector back in '72 at the tail end of Nam. I was struggling to find an appropriate job that would qualify for that service when a game room supervisor spot at a Salvation Army Red Shield youth club in White Center popped up. It was my first time living in the Seattle area, I went to high school 60 miles south in OlyWA.

White Center is a hard place but I did meet some remarkably cool kids there. I was sort of a basketball phenom, for a white guy, and this helped a great deal in getting some cred. False modesty aside, my pool and ping pong games were halfway good also, and those three were the main offerings at our club, with a swimming pool on the other side that was its own entity.

Parts of Rainier Valley are about as tough as White Center (drove cab in Seattle for years) but that's not saying much.

I agree that a 15 year old girl is not ready for summary execution. We need well supervised work camps (yes, work camps) where teenagers learn very quickly that at least 6 hours of serious work a day are needed for anything above the barest minimum of survival. Kids like this strike me as having been largely turned loose.

Parents in White Center were incredibly eager to have little Johnny or Susie taken off their hands for 2 or 3 days at some away camp. Good thing I wasn't a pervert.

cmac2012 · #14 07-16-2009, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Txjake

good grief, taking yourself a little too seriously this am aren't you?

What should be done with dangerous members of society that cannot be rehabilitated?
BTW, if the bullet in the nape of the neck would be done by the government, that would be punishment, not murder....

Given that we attempt so little of it and weakly at that, I'm not sure one can make that declaration.

tbomachines · #15 07-16-2009, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

I agree that a 15 year old girl is not ready for summary execution. We need well supervised work camps (yes, work camps) where teenagers learn very quickly that at least 6 hours of serious work a day are needed for anything above the barest minimum of survival. Kids like this strike me as having been largely turned loose.

Agree 100% - so long as the work isn't extremely oppressive. A little discipline can go a lonnnnng way when you're that age!