Official U.S. history of atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki is more fiction - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Gurkha · #1 07-31-2009, 11:41 PM

http://www.naturalnews.com/019176_Hiroshima_Nagasaki_Japan.html

"The experiment has been an overwhelming success," President Harry S. Truman reportedly told his shipmates upon learning that the U.S. military had dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima

450slcguy · #2 08-01-2009, 12:48 AM

What the article doesn't mention is the horrible atrocities committed by the Japanese and their steadfast refusal to surrender. In a fight to the death war as the Japanese people vowed, it was us or them. I believe Truman made the right decision.

Gurkha · #3 08-01-2009, 12:53 AM

Atrocities are part of war package, no one party is innocent, its used as a tool by the opposing party to justify their means. Till today its being used by all. They were not in a position to fight and were on brink of surrender but I guess, they were dispensable for the said experiment.

MS Fowler · #4 08-01-2009, 07:48 AM

Perhaps you misconstrue the word, "experiment".
The A-Bomb was an experimental bomb--meaning it had not been completely tested and developed. There was a considerable chance it would not work--that is one of the reasons that no demonstration was used.
The US expected a million casulties if forced to do a D;Day type landing. The A Bomb saved Japanese, as well as US lives.
War is Hell

Gurkha · #5 08-01-2009, 07:52 AM

Thats the standard view justifying the use of A bomb, the article thinks otherwise and so does many others.

dynalow · #6 08-01-2009, 08:17 AM

Is this satire?
"Dani Veracity, citizen journalist"

Lie: Our use of the atomic bombs shortened the war.
Truth: The Japanese were looking for peace when they returned from the Potsdam Conference on Aug. 3, 1945, three days before the U.S. military bombed Hiroshima.

I didn't realize the Emperor sent a representative to Potsdam. One of History's mysteries I guess.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potsdam_Conference
Truman had mentioned an unspecified "powerful new weapon" to Stalin during the conference. Towards the end of the conference, Japan was given an ultimatum to surrender (in the name of United States, Great Britain, China and USSR) or meet "prompt and utter destruction", which did not mention the new bomb. After prime minister Kantaro Suzuki's declaration that the Empire of Japan should ignore (mokusatsu) the ultimatum, atomic bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki on August 6 and August 9, 1945, respectively.

There has been discussion over whether the US misunderstood Japan's response. But it can hardly be called a plea for mercy or negotiation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mokusatsu

"Prompt and utter destruction"

Palangi · #7 08-01-2009, 10:09 AM

Ya know, whenever it is recommended that I read something like this, the first thing I do is Google the author's name, just to get a quick feel for whether or not he / she / it might be a whacko......

I am seldom disappointed.

Hatterasguy · #8 08-01-2009, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 450slcguy

What the article doesn't mention is the horrible atrocities committed by the Japanese and their steadfast refusal to surrender. In a fight to the death war as the Japanese people vowed, it was us or them. I believe Truman made the right decision.

That article is quite slanted. Truman made a good decision, it didn't cost us 1 American life. If he decided to invade Japan I think they were predicting at least 1/2 a million to 1 million casualties.

jplinville · #9 08-01-2009, 10:51 AM

Is this going to be another instance where Obama stops on his Apology Tour?

MTI · #10 08-01-2009, 02:48 PM

Wouldn't you love to have taken history class at "Central Revisionist High School"?

Cave men lived with dinosaurs . . . no, wait . . . no cavemen, since they were the offspring of Adam & Eve . . . no wait . . . extraterrestrials founded early civilizations and built the pyramids . . . no wait . . .

MS Fowler · #11 08-01-2009, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Gurkha

Thats the standard view justifying the use of A bomb, the article thinks otherwise and so does many others.

Sometimes the "standard" answer IS the truth.
Critics can always be found who think differently from the standard view. After all, isn't that what a "critic" does?

kerry · #12 08-01-2009, 04:46 PM

I recall reading that Hiroshima was chosen as a site to bomb not because of it's military significance but because the surrounding geography would maximize the effect of the bomb.
I also seem to recollect that more people were killed in the fire bombing of Tokyo (or was it Dresden?) than in the atomic bomb attacks.
I know some historians argue that the bombs were deployed to bring the war to an end quickly before Russia got involved with Japan and had a claim to war spoils in the far east.

MS Fowler · #13 08-01-2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry

I recall reading that Hiroshima was chosen as a site to bomb not because of it's military significance but because the surrounding geography would maximize the effect of the bomb.
I also seem to recollect that more people were killed in the fire bombing of Tokyo (or was it Dresden?) than in the atomic bomb attacks.
I know some historians argue that the bombs were deployed to bring the war to an end quickly before Russia got involved with Japan and had a claim to war spoils in the far east.

I believe you are correct. I also believe that BOTH Dresden's and Tokyo's fire-bombings produced more casulties. IIRC, 50 years after the war there were still visible effects in Dresden of the fire-bombing.
Hiroshima was also spared conventional bombing so that the effects of the A-Bomb would be more easily asessed.

Palangi · #14 08-01-2009, 07:57 PM

Regardless of whatever the author thinks, the indisputable fact is, it worked.

Hirohito surrendered in a week.

End of story.

mgburg · #15 08-01-2009, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy

That article is quite slanted. Truman made a good decision, it didn't cost us 1 American life. If he decided to invade Japan I think they were predicting at least 1/2 a million to 1 million casualties.

Au contraire monsieur Hattersguy...

There are a few souls that were involved in DELIVERING the bomb that would disagree about the loss of a few American lives...those would be the folks on/from the Japanese-torpedoed ship, the Portland-class cruiser, U.S.S. Indianapolis (CA-35)...

Direct result? Not really, but neverless, related to the bomb being dropped...

BTW: A-Bombs - 2 / Japanese and History Re-writers - 0

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