Atheism can't be discussed without discussing metaphysics but is metaphysics equal to religion? I don't think so. Religion is far more than metaphysics. A person can easily be a theist without being religious and a person can be both religious and atheist.

THE BAD NEWS.....................

The Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.....:eek::o:eek:


"Atheist"???...professing too be wise..they have become fools.....:(


John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily,verily, I say unto thee,Except a man be born again, he cannot, see the kingdom of God.


THE GOOD NEWS..........................
Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. :D

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.:D

Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved........................:D:D:D


Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth:, it shall not return unto me void, but , it shall accomplish that which, I please, and it shall prosper in the thing where to I sent it.,.....:D:D:D

Damn dude. You just converted me.. you can sleep easily tonight ;)

Ahh...I love a sense of humor!!.....;)

Food for thought...though!!.....:D

For God so loved the world that he sent a bunch of them into the lake of fire?
Sounds like a one god death panel to me. Should at least bring in Zeus and Athena for second opinions.

But what does it explain? Just because I gave you an answer doesn't mean it is the right answer, does it? Are you so easily comforted by an answer that you don't care whether it is right or not but that you have an answer? IOW, if you are trying to figure out what 2+7 is and I say it is 51, will that make you happy and content now that you have an answer? I'd rather have no answer than the wrong answer, but that is just me.

Those Iowans had better tighten up their bible belt.


I am a dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac. I stay up all night wondering if there is a dog.

I think man crated god/gods to give them an answer since they cannot accept an answer of "I don't know". Deity allows them to plug in an answer even if it is the wrong one. If you don't understand it, well it is part of a plan you cannot understand.

Still using the bible to justify the bible? Kinda like using your own book to prove that 4+4=44

والله أكبر لسلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته :D

A SURE SIGN OF TONGUES!!! :D ;)

When did you become Pentacostal, Jim B? :confused: :D

LOL!!.......:D

Aklim, I don't think you understand what I am trying to say.

Stories from ancient times whether they come from Greek, Arabic, Hebrew, Hindi, or cultures further east were word of mouth stories and then eventually written down. The vast amount of knowledge and tools we have now weren't available to the people of the ancient world. The campfire stories of "Where did we come from?" and "Where do I go after I die?" did so much to help those people of the past who lead terribly rough lives to have something to look forward to when they die.

Nowadays we have more and more answers that have demystified the natural occurrences around us. Unfortunately we may never know how the Universe came to be.

So to people living around us what's easier and more consoling to understand, a garden where two naked people came from or understanding the big bang theory and natural selection?

Personally I take the latter of the two. We have so much to learn and shouldn't blind ourselves away from discovery because of an old book.

That may be why religion is referred to as the "Opiate of the masses". It cannot solve anything other than to take some pain away because some might not be strong enough to live without it.

So we don't know or we might never know. Is that a reason to accept an answer just because you will "know" the answer before you die? Why can't we just say "I don't know" instead of accepting any answer just so we can look smart and say "I know"?

What discovery is there? It basically states this is how things are. No explanations because you cannot understand it. If anything, it is more like a rule book.

that's funny right there I tell ya.