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Palangi · #31 08-24-2009, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by RichC

"Comrade Rich"
Are you kidding ??

The peice was not written for ACORN, but I do support them also.

Do you even know what they do ???

Do you really think they are trying to bring communism to the US.

Man, you need to quit watching Faux news.

Who founded ACORN?

What organization did he come out of?

How did that organization describe itself?

I rest my case.....

10fords · #32 08-24-2009, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by RichC

"Comrade Rich"
Are you kidding ??

The peice was not written for ACORN, but I do support them also.

Do you even know what they do ???

Do you really think they are trying to bring communism to the US.

Man, you need to quit watching Faux news.

So- answer the questions then- did you yourself write the original post or did you plagiarize it? What do you do for a living? I am fully aware of what ACORN does, and I dont have television so maybe I need to START watching Faux news.

RichC · #33 08-24-2009, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 10fords

So- answer the questions then- did you yourself write the original post or did you plagiarize it? What do you do for a living? I am fully aware of what ACORN does, and I dont have television so maybe I need to START watching Faux news.

I already answered your question.

I wrote the peice myself.

Do you wanna come over and see the rough drafts I wrote in Open Office ???

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Just what is it that you think ACORN does ?
If you know what they do, you should understand how silly the "comrad" comment was.

10fords · #34 08-24-2009, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by RichC

I already answered your question.

I wrote the peice myself.

Do you wanna come over and see the rough drafts I wrote in Open Office ???

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Just what is it that you think ACORN does ?
If you know what they do, you should understand how silly the "comrad" comment was.

Sorry- apparently I was posting at the same time you were and didn't see your reply. Who exactly did you write it for? I would love to come over and see the rough drafts- where do you live?

RichC · #35 08-24-2009, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 10fords

Sorry- apparently I was posting at the same time you were and didn't see your reply. Who exactly did you write it for? I would love to come over and see the rough drafts- where do you live?

I will drop a copy by your house, where do you live ???

10fords · #36 08-24-2009, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by RichC

I will drop a copy by your house, where do you live ???

You invited me. Make no mistake-you are not welcome at my house. Being that you are a community organizer I'm sure you can find out where I live if you want to. Lets just say I'm in Switzerland!!!

RichC · #37 08-24-2009, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by 10fords

You invited me. Make no mistake-you are not welcome at my house. Being that you are a community organizer I'm sure you can find out where I live if you want to. Lets just say I'm in Switzerland!!!

I am not a community organizer.

I am a disabled computer geek.

I used to own a computer and internet service company.
And did some consulting.

Now SS disability sends me back a small portion of what I paid in.
And I am in a SS program that lets me work some.

I mow lawns, make veggie oil based fuels, restore old mercedes, write some, and other odd jobbs.
Even have a couple of people that work with me.
I do a good deal of volenteer work at different places.

But my true job is being a good husband to my wonderful wife.

She might have helped make some of the things you played with while in the military.
Works for a military defence contractor.
Computer science.
And she works on the really, really cool stuff.

You sure dident expect that now did you ???
From a guy that you just called a "commie"

So I dont fit in the little daydream your starting to have about who you think I am.

I am a simple human being living on this planet.
Trying to help others, and make this world a little better for all of us.

LUVMBDiesels · #38 08-24-2009, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by RichC

Public Roads
Public Parks
and the
Public Health care Option

By Rich C.

Yesterday I found myself on a public sidewalk, next to a public road, near a public park, holding
public health care option sign.

I wanted to see for my self, some of the craziness thats been on TV.
While I was there taking in the sights, engrossed in what was going on.

I got to thinking about how many social programs that we have in the United States.
And how much we really depend on them.

I realized that a lot of the things we take for granted, like the water we drink, the toilet we flush, and the trash we throw away are all taken care of by social programs.

We drive on public streets, taking our children to public schools or the public library
We rely on public servants like the police the fire department, and the military to help keep us safe.

Not to mention the countless other programs we barely think of unless we need them, like Social Security, the Food and Drug Administration or the Veterans Administration.

Heck, everything about our government is a social program.
And everyone there, from the president himself to white house pages, are all public servants, and on the public payroll.

I was just standing there thinking for a while with my sign in my hand.
When noises from the other side of the street attracted my attention.
Someone from a passing car yelled something out the window, and other people started yelling back.
Something about Socialism destroying America.

I wondered if the people on the other side of the street understood the irony of holding an anti public health care option sign while standing on one of the most successful social programsin America.
The public highway system.

But I guess this is still a free county, and they have every right to be there.
I was glad they were. At least they were participating in this thing we call a Democracy.
Its more than I had been doing for a good long while.

The next time you turn on the faucet, take out the trash or hear a siren in the distance think
about all the good things public options already do for us.
And think about supporting the public health care option.

Come on out to the next health care rally, I'll meet you there.
Or contact your local congress person.
Because we can do great things, if we work together.
Yes we can.

Not to beat a dead horse, but

My fire department is VOLUNTEERS
My water comes from a well

I pay to have my garbage removed by a privater company after comparing various offers -- and this company knows that if I do not like their service, I can go elsewhere

My electricity comes from a private company

My Ambulance corps are VOLUNTEERS

I agree that some things are needed for society to function. The roads are a good example. HOWEVER: if the roads are a social program, why are there tolls on them? WHy do these same tolls go to pay for non-road related things? The police are a good example of what works, but a lot of the left despises the 'pigs'. Public education used to be something to be proud of. That is until it changed from EDUCATING kids to giving then self esteem boosting new age crap. My kid had to suffer through "Inventive Spelling" in one district before we voted with our feet and moved. Inventive Spelling is a program where it was decided that a child's self esteem would be damaged by correcting the child's spelling. In other words if you want to spell cat "YHFRHG" the teacher accepted it and gave you a smiley face! My poor kids still have trouble spelling even years later because they were not taught 'i before e' or which 'there' to use in a sentence. Don't even get me started on "Self Actualized Math" It is funny that the only Bush program more despised by the left than the Iraq war was 'No Child Left Behind' which actually works!

Heck I am a government employee and I can't stand the way things are run in the government. Take it from my, you want us meddling as little as possible in your private life and that includes health care. I can just see a new multi billion dollar agency formed to 'administer' this program. Of course it would help the economy by giving jobs to thousands of new bureaucrats who are then dependent on keeping the program going and expanding. Just wait until some Federal idiot with a badge comes to your hospital to 'fix things'

As I have said I am all for reforming the entire health care system starting with paying our nurses a decent wage and giving them working conditions at least as good as a coal miner's. The things a nurse has to deal with with makes me ill just thinking about them. Then add in the fact that they are underpaid, get no respect and have to work crazy shifts and I wonder what motivates these saintly people to go into the field. No wonder there is a critical shortage of them...

Reform the way doctors are trained to get rid of the 36 hour killer shifts.

Reform the tort law to remove a lot of the malpractice BS like lawyers working on contingency. Limit the amount of damages you can sue for.

Reform the FDA to allow for a faster turn around time for new drugs. I don't mean loosening up the standards,but streamlining the red tape. Wy does it take multiple tractor trailers to haul the documentation from the pharma company to the FDA? Ever heard of email? PDF?

Reform the insurance industry to encourage competition. Allow them to cross state lines. Get rid of exclusive contracts with employer companies.
Hey how about get rid of the small company groups and spread the risks across each insurance company's entire client base? Get rid of the pre-existing condition crap as well. Open the existing Federal health plans to anybody not covered by their employer.

There a health care reform in three paragraphs...
beats 1800 pages of BS, doesn't it...

Squabble · #39 08-24-2009, 08:01 AM

i'm having a hard time understanding why some people can, in the same thought, talk trash on the people brought up in the public education system and then suggest that those people, with no oversight or regulation, should be in control of the privatized systems and environments about which we are discussing. it's as if the deep seeded cynicism of their ideas stops, with no explanation, when they get to the part about discussing a future of corporate ownership and privitization.

i'm sorry but that just can't work. it won't work. think about it. people are pretty selfish and greedy, our society is profit driven, and the rich elites just don't care. if you don't think so you're either really well off or really don't pay attention to the world in general.

besides, my poor working farmer neighbors would still be in the same boat, maybe even worse, if everything was privatized. example:

"johnny fell off the hay wagon, i think he broke his arm! but i didn't pay into my fair share of the exxon-mobil general hospital because i was too busy buying my ration of mcdonalds spring water! not to mention the fact that last month i had to pay extra to at&t dental group to fix johnnys broken tooth and couldn't pay my fair share of the road upkeep costs down at the coca-cola highway dept. so now i can't even drive to the hospital without fear of being shot by some crazed redneck, who got to buy as many guns as he wanted even though he's off his rocker, who did pay his fair share and doesn't want some "welfare sucker" to drive on HIS roads!"

yeah, great future you got lined up for us! and this competition b.s. everyone keeps blabing about...did you not study your u.s. history? trusts and monopolies? it's only a matter of time until a large enough corporation buys up all the public's options on one thing and they can charge whatever they want. "well, if you don't like how exxon-mobil runs the hospital, you can just up and go down the road to the next one!" brilliant, einstien, that's exactly what i want to do when my wife goes into anaphylactic shock after a bee sting, drive further until the costs are what i can afford. or maybe be turned away at the door because i couldn't afford to pay into my fair share of the hospital use. that's okay, the pizza hut medical center is only 40 more miles away! profit over people is the mindset of this ideology, the mindset of this country and society, and the mindset of these people who fear health care reform. a selfish drive to make sure no one gets more than what they have deemed they deserve. it's the ultimate "chip on my shoulder" ideology. what i've got just has to work for everybody. right.

a private company doesn't see patients or thirsty humans, it sees customers and profit. need that surgery, you'll pay what we're offering, what choice do you have? need that bottle of water? you'll pay alright, you have to. look at our current insurance companies, look at the horror stories, it DOESN'T WORK! private corporations do as they please because they've amassed the capital, the lawyers, and the media blitzes needed to stay afloat no matter what. plutocracy everyone, look it up, it's what is being described as the answer.

"i've got sooo much money, let's go buy an army! now let's go take over some towns! yeah, this is fun! we should have been doing this all along! i love being rich! no regulation, i'm in charge!"

no thanks.

the government is not perfect, but it at least aspires to be at times. it shouldn't have to step in to regulate, but people and corporations have made it necessary in their constant screwing over of people and their environments. corporations have no obligations to anyone but themselves. the capital amassed is insurance against invester sell-offs in the face of opposition, it means nothing and will mean nothing to them in your distopian future. look up the New Zealand Experiment. check out Iceland. this just doesn't work.

MTUpower · #40 08-24-2009, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Squabble

i'm having a hard time understanding ...

If there is so much money to be made then why doesn't the Red Cross enter the health care bis and make a billion or two and then take that billion and put it into it's own operation?

Squabble · #41 08-24-2009, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

If there is so much money to be made then why doesn't the Red Cross enter the health care bis and make a billion or two and then take that billion and put it into it's own operation?

are you suggesting i'm wrong in stating that insurance companies make a lot of money? you've got to be kidding...

i guess you've got an argument to make but the idea that there's no money to be made in insurance is ignorant of the facts of our system.

i guess if the red cross wants to start making profit based decisions around which fingers they will pay for to be put back on they can. but that will certainly cloud their humanitarian image, don't you think?

Squabble · #42 08-24-2009, 12:51 PM

another statement of the obvious:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/24/opinion/24krugman.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

JollyRoger · #43 08-24-2009, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Here's a question for you, What purpose is served by the mowing of highway right of Ways? How are the roads improved by this "public" service?

In Texas, it is to prevent wildfirecs caused by morons who throw lit cigerettes out the window.

I shudder to think what a privatized road system would look like. The roads into workplaces charging whatever the market would bear, hey have at it, you first. Public parks would last about as long as it takes to strip mine the place. A world of horror and anarchy.

JollyRoger · #44 08-24-2009, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Palangi

Who founded ACORN?

What organization did he come out of?

How did that organization describe itself?

I rest my case.....

HA! They've empowered millions of poor people to vote, is that a ***** or what? For the contributions these people have made in expanding democracy in this country, I don't GAS if Pol Pot founded it.

RichC · #45 08-24-2009, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LUVMBDiesels

Not to beat a dead horse, but

My fire department is VOLUNTEERS
My water comes from a well
I pay to have my garbage removed by a privater company after comparing various offers -- and this company knows that if I do not like their service, I can go elsewhere
My electricity comes from a private company
My Ambulance corps are VOLUNTEERS

I agree that some things are needed for society to function. The roads are a good example. HOWEVER: if the roads are a social program, why are there tolls on them? WHy do these same tolls go to pay for non-road related things? The police are a good example of what works, but a lot of the left despises the 'pigs'. Public education used to be something to be proud of. That is until it changed from EDUCATING kids to giving then self esteem boosting new age crap. My kid had to suffer through "Inventive Spelling" in one district before we voted with our feet and moved. Inventive Spelling is a program where it was decided that a child's self esteem would be damaged by correcting the child's spelling. In other words if you want to spell cat "YHFRHG" the teacher accepted it and gave you a smiley face! My poor kids still have trouble spelling even years later because they were not taught 'i before e' or which 'there' to use in a sentence. Don't even get me started on "Self Actualized Math" It is funny that the only Bush program more despised by the left than the Iraq war was 'No Child Left Behind' which actually works!

Heck I am a government employee and I can't stand the way things are run in the government. Take it from my, you want us meddling as little as possible in your private life and that includes health care. I can just see a new multi billion dollar agency formed to 'administer' this program. Of course it would help the economy by giving jobs to thousands of new bureaucrats who are then dependent on keeping the program going and expanding. Just wait until some Federal idiot with a badge comes to your hospital to 'fix things'

As I have said I am all for reforming the entire health care system starting with paying our nurses a decent wage and giving them working conditions at least as good as a coal miner's. The things a nurse has to deal with with makes me ill just thinking about them. Then add in the fact that they are underpaid, get no respect and have to work crazy shifts and I wonder what motivates these saintly people to go into the field. No wonder there is a critical shortage of them...

Reform the way doctors are trained to get rid of the 36 hour killer shifts.

Reform the tort law to remove a lot of the malpractice BS like lawyers working on contingency. Limit the amount of damages you can sue for.

Reform the FDA to allow for a faster turn around time for new drugs. I don't mean loosening up the standards,but streamlining the red tape. Wy does it take multiple tractor trailers to haul the documentation from the pharma company to the FDA? Ever heard of email? PDF?

Reform the insurance industry to encourage competition. Allow them to cross state lines. Get rid of exclusive contracts with employer companies.
Hey how about get rid of the small company groups and spread the risks across each insurance company's entire client base? Get rid of the pre-existing condition crap as well. Open the existing Federal health plans to anybody not covered by their employer.

There a health care reform in three paragraphs...
beats 1800 pages of BS, doesn't it...

Do you not understand that an all voulenteer fire or ambulance service would fall under the catagory of Socialism ?

And what truly amazes me is that you say your a government employee.
And then go on to expain how bad of a job the government does.

And one of you final lines made me rub my eyes, and do a double take.
"Open the existing Federal health plans to anybody not covered by their employer."

If you really support this idea, then you support the public healthcare option.
But you want to give it a name like " expanded medicare ".
Same benifits, same type of coverage, still managed by the public sector, just a different name.