Isn't health care for all a basic tenet of the Obama plan?

Show me where it delineates free health care for all.

Show me the place that poor people suffer under a liberal plan, ever. Even if it's not free, any money spent is my and my kids money because of the stupid long term actions of someone else. Even you- if you make loads of money off your houses- am I gonna get any of it? But if you cannot afford health care because you are not in a large pool- who's choice was that?

Is this the same guy that the OP started the thread with in a trailer park? My family of five was making due with $32-$37K per year from 2001-2004. I did just fine with health insurance, and had close to $500K in hospital bills for '04, and I paid the co pays and deductibles without going into debt. Good enough example for you?

starting an argument based on anecdotal evidence is pointless.

arguing your points with anecdotal evidence is just as pointless.

those that are using factual numbers and statements, thanks for making this make sense and putting it into perspective.

those who are "seeing people in trailers" and claiming "my kids money" is going to be spent.....please, read up a little, focus an argument or side, and present it well.

otherwise, you're just telling stories.

i'm just sayin'....

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Can you show me where it doesn't.
And while your at it, why don't you show us all the passage in the bill that explicitly denies coverage to illegal aliens.

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Could you tell us the story of where the money comes from?

The world's smartest man is going to ignore you because you're not worthy of a response.

i'm not sure if i'm interested in this debate, as it started with an unprovable story that, just so conveniently, happens to mesh and function perfectly with the o.p.'s stance, opinion, and argument. why bother even trying to debate a story?

for example, just the other day i was passing through town and i saw these people with bush stickers on their cars, some had mcain/palin ones too! and these people were eating babies! and these were babies they bought with gov'ment food stamps! now, i'm just a regular 'merican who doesn't eat babies and i'm just floored that our gov'ment is allowing this to happen, and their paying for it, and it's obviously republicans doing it, you can tell by the stickers! what are we normal hard workin' 'mericans gonna do about this horrible atrocity???

are you seriously going to join in that conversation? i mean, prove me wrong, i saw it with my own two eyes! if you disagree, you are obviously on thier side and are therefore wrong to start out with.

seriously though, paying for health care should come out of the money we save when we close down our military bases in all industrial european countries, stop involving ourselves with insane relgious wars in the middle east and pull those troops out too, and rebalance our budget to more affectively reflect our new semi-isolationist stance on foreign policy and war.

"Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto."
- Thomas Jefferson

how's that for money well spent? i see this as money that should be spent to better the american people. i support state colleges too, and they haven't bankrupt any private schools since thier inception. harvard is still doing okay last time i checked. educate americans, keep them healthy, and watch them produce the best stuff on earth. let them languish in disease, ignorance, and filth and that's all you'll get out of our country.

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I was working at Viking after moving up from the country of Panama. Started at $16 and hour plus benefits. Had second son, Patrick. Lived in a two bedroom apt- started at $675 ended at $755. Contracted MRSA in '04 had a 10 day stay at Wellington Med center, then three months later had heart valve replacement surgery, 12 day stay at Cleveland Clinic, Weston. Wife did not work. We made it. We did not live foolishly before these things happened. It can be done.

I noticed I am worthy of having you and your ilk extort my hard earned money from me so it can be used to pay for your health care.

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I don't know if $4400 is enough for insurance. I guess it depends where you live, how old you are, and the plan you want. My math says thats $366 a month. Mine was less than that not too long ago but after you pass 45 it goes up sharply. I know that my sister can get subsidized insurance for her child for about $40 a month right now.

I'm not sure you know what basic "necessities' of life I certainly enjoy. Suffice it to say that we don't buy a lot of new stuff.Lots of hand me downs and Craigslist is on my favorites list.
You rail about how you don't want the government to help these people...........and YOU are one of these people. The government isn't going to ensure that you live "the good life". As far as I understand it.......the government is simply attempting to find a cost effective solution for folks that cannot make it with their current incomes.

I find government and cost effective to be mutually exclusive.

Your definition of "it sucks to be you" is my definition of responsibility and consequences for your actions. I think that the more I emphasize this to my kids the less likely they will end up as adults in a "sucks to be you" situation.

FWIW- I was wrong in my last post- We all have something in common here-We all like Mercedes!

This is the basic question in the OP's first post- so yes I have standing. Having health insurance yourself does not exempt one from this discussion.

You might be surprised to know that that is the Libertarian stance on foreign policy that I agree with totally. I also agree fully with the limited government part too though. If you haven't, you should read more of Jeffersons work. Great stuff.

You yourself tried to tell me once that you cannot control the discussion, but now you are. Fine- you quote from the first post of the thread that which supports your claim. I did so and you did not reject it.