...and honestly, I don't think many juries in America would convict you.

Again, it depends on how good a case your mindfawk can make about how much your life was wrecked, you went beserk, etc, etc. It's all about how much you can pay them to make excuses for you.

A few years ago, a woman, on God's orders, gave her kids a rock party. 2 dead, 1 brain damaged. 2 mindfawks for the prosecution said she was sane and 2 from her defense said she was insane. IIRC, recently, they had another case like that.

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What about jury nullification, not to mention numerous non-nullifying interpretations of jury decisions in apparent contradiction to the law.

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The ********* neighbor who thought it'd be best to "mind his own business" rather than ask questions should be charged for failure to act under the Good Samaritan Law.

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x2 or at least failure to report a crime. they knew there was a sex offender living next door yet never said anything when they head children playing. WTF is that about!!

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...my thought exactly... i would track them 'til their tragic end - I'm make that my mission in life.

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I am aware people have problems. I just cannot even imagine the mind set of an individual like that kidnapper. Even worse it appears his wife went along with it. They must have been socially isolated. Also potentially insane. Or almost the most extreme sociopaths I have ever heard of. Perhaps a combination of all three. I only hope they are not going to call him and his wife the true victoms.

Our society such as it is has no punishment to balance the scales for behaviours like this. Even death is just too simple. It also is staggering to me that nobody apparently came forward over the years. Or the situation was not randomly uncovered much earlier.

I also have some empathy for the stepfather who lived under a serious cloud for twenty years. The condition of the three victims will probably have a major impact on the mother as well. In a way she may get her daughter back. In a way she will not...

About the only good thing and that is not even certain is the officer questioned the kidnapper when he was peddling the literature. I really suspect the woman and two children affected will not be able to put it behind them at all. The complexes that will arise in them with so called treatment will increase the damage..For all rational argument the balance or any normalicy of their remaining lives may already be forfeit.

It was so nice to learn religion had turned the preditator around. I wonder what other unknown deeds he has commited over time. The majority of us cannot even abuse an animal. Then some creature like this crawls out of the slime.

Contrary to public opinion punishment if severe enough stops a lot of behaviours. The punishment has to be very severe though. In this province they once had the horizontal wheel. You were placed and tied on the wheel. A designated individual took a steel bar and broke your legs and arms. He then shattered your rib cage.

If your trangression or crime was not to too severe you where then put to death. If the offence was of a really serious nature. You were left to die broken on the wheel. It could take some time.

The practice was stopped when no one could be found to administer the punishment. Basically law and order ruled in the community up to that point. There had not been much call for the wheels usage. In otherwords the deterent itself worked well.

The judge was picked for his intelligence. It was of course the french system. He was responsible for both the prosecution and defence. I suspect his verdicts where highly accurate.

I am not saying this would work today. My guess though at a minumin is you would not have to lock up your possessions. Who in their right mind or otherwise would want to possibly face something like that. Of course we would still have crimes of passion. Just not premeditiated ones.

People will argue that if such a system existed these individuals might still have commited their crimes. I believe the specter of the wheel or some simular punishment for example might have reined their behavious in. All I am cognizant of is if I were to consider stealing or worse it would stop me in my tracks.

I do not see myself as a cruel person either. At present there just seems to be no serious consideration for the victims of crimes or the damages they have suffered. Or the average citizens personal security.

apparently the neighbors did call and report children living in tents....

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/08/authorities-missed-an-opportunity-to-find-jaycee-lee-dugard-several-years-ago-sheriff-says.html

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Good Samaritan laws in the United States are laws or acts protecting from liability those who choose to aid others who are injured or ill. They are intended to reduce bystanders' hesitation to assist, for fear of being sued or prosecuted for unintentional injury or wrongful death.

The details of good Samaritan laws/acts in various jurisdictions vary, including who is protected from liability and in what circumstances.[3] Not all jurisdictions provide protection to laypersons, in those cases only protecting trained personnel, such as doctors or nurses.[4] In some cases, laypersons are only protected when rendering aid in narrow circumstances, such as during a declared public health emergency.

In some jurisdictions, unless a caretaker relationship (such as a parent-child or doctor-patient relationship) exists prior to the illness or injury, or the "good Samaritan" is responsible for the existence of the illness or injury, no person is required to give aid of any sort to a victim. Good Samaritan statutes in the states of Minnesota and Vermont do require a person at the scene of an emergency to provide reasonable assistance to a person in need.[5] This assistance may be to call 9-1-1. Violation of the duty to assist subdivision is a petty misdemeanor in Minnesota and may warrant a fine of up to $100 in Vermont. At least five other states, including California and Nevada, have seriously considered adding duty to assist subdivisions to their good Samaritan statutes.[6] New York's law provides for immunity for those who assist in an emergency.[7]
Good Samaritan provisions are not universal in application. The legal principle of imminent peril may also apply.[8] In the absence of imminent peril, the actions of a rescuer may be perceived by the courts to be reckless and not worthy of protection. To illustrate, a motor vehicle collision occurs, but there is no fire, no immediate life threat from injuries and no danger of a second collision. If a 'good Samaritan' elects to 'rescue' the victim from the wreckage, causing paralysis or some other injury, a court may rule that good Samaritan laws do not apply because the victim was not in imminent peril and hold the actions of the rescuer as 'reckless' and unnecessary.[9]
Any first aid provided must not be in exchange for any reward or financial compensation. As a result, medical professionals are typically not protected by good Samaritan laws when performing first aid in connection with their employment.[10] Certain states make specific provisions for those trained medical professionals acting as volunteers and for members of volunteer rescue squads acting without expectation of financial compensation.[11]


I am not sure failure to act is covered by the GSL. IOW, I don't think it compels you to act.

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I think the sheriff might be guilty of culprible negligence by not notifying the child welfare dept. Even before he went. I also do not think it was his job to check up on a children and tents complaint without notification of some other department. He was told there were tents and did not investigate the property.

This guy was negligent enough then to be dealt with now as well. I think they will. Might sweep it under the carpet but will probably happen. What he is essentially apologizing about is not doing his job at all. The result of it is very severe. No wonder the neighbours gave up complaining about the situation.. He almost had to know the individuals background as well.

I don't think killing someone in an act of revenge would be satisfactory for long. Anyway, I can't even believe I'm having this conversion. IMO this mob justice outside the law is no better than the crime that was committed in the first place, and it's even worse when you get the wrong guy which could easily happen. It's utterly barbaric and it's one reason I live in a country where law & order is usually respected.

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Parole officers don't usually make a thorough search of the property where a parollee is living AFAIK.

I don't see any point in dumping on that guy.

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I would dispute that. Things I have done to people in vengeance years ago and even decades ago is not only satisfying but gives me a nice warm feeling thinking about them today. Me personally, I would never want to kill anyone. I am not fond of the death thing. Breaking his neck and letting him live having to be fed food for the rest of his life might be a different story.

Do you even have any doubts that this is the wrong guy?

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That's going a little too far, don't you think? Granted the comment about showing killing on tv is ludicrous. But there's no way someone who did that to my daughter would live. I don't care if I have to spend the rest of my life in jail.
This girl, or woman rather was tortured and is pretty much always going to be tortured by what happened to her. I can't even begin to imagine how she's going to exist.

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