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Old 08-29-2009, 10:36 PM
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Two U Cal police officers use intuition, gut instinct to sleuth out kidnapper slime

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/08/28/national/a192205D14.DTL

Both women got a weird feeling about the guy and the way the two girls, his daughters, seemed just a bit brainwashed and robot like.

How did two women in Berkeley manage to spot something that no one else had over a period of many years?
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Old 08-29-2009, 11:19 PM
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They certaintly did a damn sight better job than Denver police officers. Hats off to them.
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Old 08-29-2009, 11:35 PM
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You can't fool a mothers instinct. Hats off to these gals. I hope they give them the opportunity to "throw the switch" on this defective unit.
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Old 08-30-2009, 01:15 AM
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Some interesting posts on the SF Gate (SF Chronicle) web site on this story:

Someone should ask the parole officer: why, after finding a convicted kidnapper and rapist, who is being monitored as a sex offender... after finding him traveling with children he is not even supposed to have... did you "invite" him to come down for an interview? Dumb luck he was stupid enough to bring the girls, and not flee or murder them. Lazy parole officer until the last minute. Not a hero.

Interesting that male authorities missed clues that something was seriously wrong for 18 years. It took a couple of women officers to sound the alarm. I have nothing against men, and I think they do certain jobs very well, but bringing more females into law enforcement would balance the system. Police and parole officers who are in touch with their intuition enough to act when they get the sense that something is wrong would be a great asset. What if the Sheriff who went to the house in 2002 had been a woman?

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/08/29/national/a105529D32.DTL#ixzz0PdlYTzVP
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Old 08-30-2009, 03:27 AM
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Some interesting posts on the SF Gate (SF Chronicle) web site on this story:

Someone should ask the parole officer: why, after finding a convicted kidnapper and rapist, who is being monitored as a sex offender... after finding him traveling with children he is not even supposed to have... did you "invite" him to come down for an interview? Dumb luck he was stupid enough to bring the girls, and not flee or murder them. Lazy parole officer until the last minute. Not a hero.

Interesting that male authorities missed clues that something was seriously wrong for 18 years. It took a couple of women officers to sound the alarm. I have nothing against men, and I think they do certain jobs very well, but bringing more females into law enforcement would balance the system. Police and parole officers who are in touch with their intuition enough to act when they get the sense that something is wrong would be a great asset. What if the Sheriff who went to the house in 2002 had been a woman?

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/08/29/national/a105529D32.DTL#ixzz0PdlYTzVP
I think the problem here might be that in the future...that "female intuition" will be called "profiling" where in reality, it never existed.

Sorta' like when white police officers would have a hunch that a sagging rear-end on a north-bound ghetto-cruizer with a black driver and black passenger(s) MIGHT be full of dope...

Some smart-@ss lawyer manages to get a judge and jury all riled up and the officers end up having to take sensitivity training and racial profiling courses taught by people that have no knowledge of the real world, the perps get off (but lose the "load") because of the bad "bust" and the judge gets a campaign contribution from the local ACLU and assorted other "tooty-fruity" do-gooder entities.

Yep, those lady detectives better enjoy their 15 minutes of fame...someone will be along any moment now to p!ss on their parade and let them know that somehow, they didn't do it "by the book."

And more will die because we believe EVERYONE deserves another break...

Remember, there's no real sentence in any conviction...just the victim living with the crime. Get over it.
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Old 08-30-2009, 04:51 AM
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Yeah the sentence doesn't mean much but the young lady's recovery means something. So you're saying that all of the parole officer visits that ended with the officer being too polite to really do his job is fine and dandy?

I'd prefer to see a few people be inconvenienced briefly than to have officers who look the other way enable slime ball creeps.

Botnst would love your POV. Just ignore your gut instinct. It doesn't mean anything.
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Yeah the sentence doesn't mean much but the young lady's recovery means something. So you're saying that all of the parole officer visits that ended with the officer being too polite to really do his job is fine and dandy?

I'd prefer to see a few people be inconvenienced briefly than to have officers who look the other way enable slime ball creeps.

Botnst would love your POV. Just ignore your gut instinct. It doesn't mean anything.
How is that a liberal like you is now defending what we all know will become(or already is) "profiling"?
All you need to do is get mugged more often and you'll be a great conservative.
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I too am curious about the male/female differences in this story. Not sure that they amount to much, but it's possible.
I thought that their observation that the children were 'robot like' in their responses indicated an unawareness of what children of fundamentalist parents do when asked to perform in public. You can see this kind of behavior in the children of the parents in 'Jesus Camp' who are forced to protest abortions. The kids are too young to have developed thoughts on these kinds of questions so they learn to parrot their parents in robot like style, usually because punishment follows if they don't obey. I'm glad that it raised suspicions in the minds of the Berkeley officers but I don't see why it would indicate anything more nefarious than standard authoritarian fundamentalist parenting practices.
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How is that a liberal like you is now defending what we all know will become(or already is) "profiling"?
All you need to do is get mugged more often and you'll be a great conservative.
A liberal like me.

Oh boy.

People who have been abused or controlled so much that they don't know how to speak out against their abuser are not going to file the proper complaint form with their local police station.

Knowing how to spot subtle signs in people's behavior is way different than broad assumptions based on skin color, and doesn't strike me as profiling.

I never got mugged in my years of cab-driving but I did endure a good number of attempted scams, with the first one succeeding in getting $50 out of me (hey man, you got change for a fifty? preceded by all sorts of smooth ingratiation - I was 26 and naive for that age)

I don't have a lot of illusions about the unwavering goodness of people but neither am I going to stay paranoid.
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