I guess there's no point in saying it again - I've said it several times on this board, but here goes: Bush got WAY better treatment from dems, libs, whatever during his first 7 months than BHO from the right, and even better treatment after 9/11. It was only after several years of abysmal incompetence and arrogance that libs starting dumping on W. Were they so wrong? W's presidency was a disaster, ending about as badly as any in memory.

Rrs have not accepted the results of the election. It's been non-stop foot dragging/mud slinging from the git go.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

1) I was trying to aggravate with my Franken comments. Childish, but that was the mood I was in when I wrote what I did.
2) I was also quite disappointed when the Repubs ran Exec and Leg branch and went hog wild on the trough. I've been a conservative my whole life, but the way I wrote it made it sound like I changed over in the past eight years - wasn't meant that way.
3) Don't like the loudness of the Repubs? I don't like the loudness of the Dems. Deal with it like I do.
4) I think the Dems do crooked things to win elections (ACORN?), and I gotta believe the Repubs do the same.

In the end years of Bush and certainly in the early years of Obama, the political machine which runs our country is absolute crap. Bush spent us to the edge of oblivion and now Obama is pushing is over, but it seems like the Repubs are "digging in" and the Dems are "digging in" and there's no openness to any middle ground. We might as well start a thread on this board that gets back to arguing abortion - you'll never convince someone on the other side to change sides, so why bother having the argument?

I prefer less government, I prefer less social programs, I prefer less taxes, and I prefer a better governmental system than the crap we have now. Maybe I'm still a dreamer and what I want can NEVER exist in 2009 in the richest country in the world, but you got to have goals and I'll vote accordingly to reach those goals.

Bush wasn't so hot, Obama isn't so hot. The USA is about survival of the fittest (just as it is in nature), and that has worked extremely well for 200 years. In only 200 years, the USA has become a monsterous powerhouse of a nation with the best and brightest coming here to carry the human race forward because they have the freedom here to do that. But now we have to take more and more from the producers and give it to the non-producers, so at a certain point the producers will stop producing. The "survival of the fittest" has become "survival for all", and that doesn't work in nature and it doesn't work with people (who are nature too, btw).

I expect very few of you reading this to want to try to understand my position.

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That's your problem. I understood everything you said and only disagree about certain details. If a hypocritical lib can understand you, I'm guessing there are others here who also understand, even if they disagree.

BTW, the main thing I disagree about is that Acorn has anything to do with this. People associated with Acorn did bad things, but most of what the media reported about Acorn was distorted and way overblown. Acorn is a non-issue, except to the extent that certain individuals broke the law. They should be prosecuted and we should leave it at that.

perhaps you do some objective reading regarding ACORN and their tactics; you might change your opinion....

Maybe so.

My guess, though, is that if there was good evidence that Acorn was such an evil force, we would have seen it by now. I read news reports about them last year and listened to people like John Fund on television. As usual, he had nothing.

Everybody understands your position...........it's a relatively simple position to take. Reduce government spending and reduce my taxes. Personally, I agree with you.

However, the devil is in the details. Take some time and review the federal budget and let's see if you can come up with some specific examples of where you can reduce spending...........and, when you do..........let's see the total impact on the federal budget.

The issue, which you are clearly ignorant of, is the fact that the government is mandated to spend approximately 75% of its current budget. No politician can change this fact unless the underlying laws are changed. Payments for social security, medicare, medicaid, the interest on the debt..........etc.............are not currently part of any serious discussion because they are considered fixed expenses. The military is a variable expense..........good luck with trying to reduce that in these times.

So, take a look at the remaining 25% and see if you can eliminate 1/3 of it. If you can, your taxes drop by 7%. I'm all in favor of that...........but it's not going to make a big contribution to my finances.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,549241,00.html

second time about the "pimp consulting" this time in a different office....hmmm ACORN policy?

That's an amazing video. What are those Acorn people thinking? It's as if they don't even know what integrity is.

It also has nothing to do with stealing elections.