I just returned from a quick beach holiday in San Diego. Love the town, but housing prices are still completely beyond insanity there. To demonstrate such, my local friend/tour guide stopped to grab a flyer from a house for sale. This was in Sunset Cliffs, at the base of Dana point. Nice area, nothing sketchy about it. Good location close to the city. Near the ocean, but no water views from this house. House was about 2000ft/sq, well kept but not much driveup appeal, smallish lot, 30 years old, not much remodeling. Perfectly decent middle class place in other words, but nothing flashy. It was $1.4M!

I suppose the reason folks there take out wacky loans is because there is simply no other way to secure housing. If all the buyers forgo crazy loans to lease, there wouldn't be enough rental property to house the population. The only alternative to paying those prices may be to leave town.

And if you think the above example is crazy, you should have seen the prices in Mission Beach where I was staying. Yowza!

It's the weather.


San Francisco is similar but the reasons are the culture, views, cosmopolitan atmosphere, food, and huge demand to live there in a port city <------- Important to Asians.

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1995 E 420, 170k "The Red Plum" (sold)

2015 BMW 535i xdrive awd Stage 1 DINAN, 6k, <----364 hp

1967 Mercury Cougar, 49k

2013 Jaguar XF, 20k <----340 hp Supercharged, All Wheel Drive (sold)

I wouldn't want to live in San Francisco or San Diego even if it was free. Primarily because of the weather.

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What a load of crap!! Define smarter and more intelligent. Intellect is the ability to learn or understand. If you don't have that by the time you reach college it's too late. I know people with a PHD who can't change a tire. Sounds to me like you have a degree and are feeling bitter because you aren't any smarter or more intelligent than people who only "made it through high school".

To steal your thunder, no, I don't have a degree. After I got out of the Army I went to college for a few semesters but it wasn't my cup of tea. I started my own business instead and never finished college. Now that I am older would I have done it differently? Maybe, but only to delay having to be an adult and work for a living. I don't think college would have made me more intelligent, just more pompous. I don't feel bitter at all to someone who is more "educated" than me as long as they don't act like I am inferior to them just because they went to college. Personally, I have learned a lot of things from people with less education than myself.

What do I disagree with? I suggest you re-read your post about grads being more intelligent than non-grads. After all, I did copy your quote. You have adequately just made my case of some folks not comprehending what they read.

Additionally, these 2 school teachers - who must have masters degrees in education or something relevant to the subjects they teach, and of whom this thread is really about - are obviously highly schooled. But are they intelligent? They don't appear to have the sense God gave a goose.

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Correct, intelligence is the ability to learn and think. Something you definitely need to get a real college degree, and I'm not talking about some sports or fine arts degree. Also true that college will not give you intelligence if you don't already have it. That's why people without intelligence rarely make it through college. Of course there are other legit reasons why people don't make it through college. In other words, just because one doesn't make it through college doesn't mean they're dumb, but there sure is a higher chance they are dumb since it's very difficult to get through college if you are dumb. Get it? And being able or not able to change a tire is not a good test of intelligence. Maybe some people just don't want to or are afraid to do it themselves, but I bet most would figure it out if they really had no choice. There are much more accurate ways to test intelligence.

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You are making your own case based on your own imagination. I didn't read the part about the 2 school teachers. But again, nothing that you say disputes what I said. I suggest you re-read my post. To make it easier for you to understand, what I said was basically that ON AVERAGE college graduates are more intelligent. I have no doubt about that and statistics support that. Of course there will be exceptions. That's what averages are about.

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