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Old 09-13-2009, 12:02 AM
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Michael Jordan throws up a brick

I had read rumors that he could be a real dick behind the scenes and this article about his speech at his induction into the NBA hall of fame is pretty telling.

Guy has/had it all, except perhaps class:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Avpaf3ZstuMo8UhjdB0Gu7O8vLYF?slug=aw-jordanhall091209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

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Old 09-13-2009, 02:00 AM
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All talent, no class

His speech was about the same as if instead of Lou Gehrig saying he considered himself the luckiest man on the face of the earth, Gehrig stood at home plate at Yankee Stadium and said he would have had more homers if he batted third and Ruth fourth and then ripped other teammates and opponents.

Once again, Jordan sets a record. This time for the worst acceptance speech ever. Unless some Oscar winner takes a dump on the statue on stage, this will be a record never to be topped.

Jordan: on court winner, off court loser.
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Old 09-13-2009, 02:25 AM
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What's more, I wouldn't be surprised if his endorsement income takes a hit from this. Not wise.
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I never liked watching him play because he was not a team player...and the refs would let him foul at will and call touch fouls on the opponents who got near him.

Boring.
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Old 09-13-2009, 12:31 PM
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Is there a link to his actual speech anywhere or are we only able to take the authorís 2nd hand interpretation?

It isn't really surprising if he heís insecure and bitter. That kind of thing is the pattern of nearly every successful athlete ever born. Its one of the reasons that while there are many professionals in the entertainment industry whose work is admirable, there are almost none worth knowing off the court or in other words, outside of their area of expertise.

Success breeds selfishness. In the end, what other reward is there?
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He didn't call the president a liar did he? Oh good...
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I never liked watching him play because he was not a team player...and the refs would let him foul at will and call touch fouls on the opponents who got near him.

Boring.
He was some kind of player but nobody likes a bully. I saw him several times treat refs like human garbage for having made an accurate call on him. Not just complaining about the call but focusing the most intense sort of hate their direction. Poor baby. W/o he refs, the game wouldn't work and he wouldn't make his mega millions. But don't try to trim his wings in any way.

OTOH, I think it's fairly common to fall prey to arrogance when you're that much better at something than most anyone else. Oh well . . .
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Is there a link to his actual speech anywhere or are we only able to take the authorís 2nd hand interpretation?

It isn't really surprising if he heís insecure and bitter. That kind of thing is the pattern of nearly every successful athlete ever born. Its one of the reasons that while there are many professionals in the entertainment industry whose work is admirable, there are almost none worth knowing off the court or in other words, outside of their area of expertise.

Success breeds selfishness. In the end, what other reward is there?
Ah, I found the actual speech, in 3 parts. He does come across a bit better here than in the article:

Here's part 1, includes the highlight reel:

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/michael-jordan-2009-hall-of-fame-induction-speech-part-1/180144031533236841/?icid=VIDURVSPR01

Here's part 2:

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/michael-jordan-2009-hall-of-fame-induction-speech-part-2/1847480215/?icid=VIDURVSPR01

And part 3:

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/michael-jordan-2009-hall-of-fame-induction-speech-part-3/108086435121591822/?icid=VIDURVSPR03
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Thanks for the links. I've never heard Jordan speak more than a minute before.

I didnít see anything wrong or disparaging in Jordanís comments. His context and his entire speech was about his competitive nature. He was reflecting on a wide range of events where he performed when sick or injured, or otherwise felt himself an underdog. And he cited those as examples of where he outperformed others, who he admired.

Part of his summary was that he wanted his competitors to know he was worthy of being inducted. And his speech was about the many many many world class teachers and athletes whose motivation he desperately needed.

I was in competitive sports while in school. You do learn a lot from your opponents and teachers and your fiercest competitors teach you the most. That is exactly what he was discussing and doing so in a laudatory way.

I think author cited at the top completely missed the intent of Jordanís comments or otherwise has a chip on his shoulder.
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People tend to have unrealistic expectations of athletes... people seem to think that just because they are good at sports, they are automatically good people. Doesn't work out that way all the time.. same with musicians.
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You mean the Hanes man was a basketball player?!?!?! I never would have guessed.
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Thanks for the links. I've never heard Jordan speak more than a minute before.

I didnít see anything wrong or disparaging in Jordanís comments. His context and his entire speech was about his competitive nature. He was reflecting on a wide range of events where he performed when sick or injured, or otherwise felt himself an underdog. And he cited those as examples of where he outperformed others, who he admired.

Part of his summary was that he wanted his competitors to know he was worthy of being inducted. And his speech was about the many many many world class teachers and athletes whose motivation he desperately needed.

I was in competitive sports while in school. You do learn a lot from your opponents and teachers and your fiercest competitors teach you the most. That is exactly what he was discussing and doing so in a laudatory way.

I think author cited at the top completely missed the intent of Jordanís comments or otherwise has a chip on his shoulder.
Having watched the speech, I do wonder if the author had a grudge. OTOH, it did seem like a long list of grievances.

One part that really struck me as petty was his flying the guy who kept a spot on the varsity in high school ahead of him. Jordan was a sophomore at the time, not sure about the other guy, Leroy Smith, he was an upperclassman is all I could find, but if he was a senior, oh golly, a sophomore playing second fiddle to a senior. How tragic.

Who knows, maybe playing against the guy did him some good, but Jordan's recollection is apparently only that he was slighted and he was going to show them.

Another part of the original piece that struck me was this:

When Jordan shouldíve thanked the Bullsí ex-GM, Jerry Krause, for surrounding him with championship coaches and talent, he ridiculed him. It was me, Jordan was saying. Not him. ďThe organization didnít play with the flu in Utah,Ē Jordan grumbled.

For Jordan to let someone else share in the Bullsí dynasty never will diminish his greatness. Just enhance it. Only, heís 46 years old and he still doesnít get it. Yes, Jordan did gush over Scottie Pippen, but he failed to confess that he had wanted Krause to draft North Carolinaís Joe Wolf. Sometimes, no one is better with half a story, half a truth, than Jordan. All his life, no oneís ever called him on it.


A remark saying that 'the organization wins games, not the players' was attributed to Krause though he claims he never said it. I dunno, just seemed a bit petty. That someone could make a fortune playing a game they enjoy seems like quite a deal, and it couldn't happen w/o a front office, an owner, etc. But to Jordan, they're a bunch of punks.

I found this site about the guy Leroy Smith, the guy who beat him out for the spot in high school. The guy is apparently trying hard to make a buck off of his association with Jordan, who knows, maybe Jordan is a bit put off by it.

http://www.getyourbasketballon.com/home/index.html#/smith
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I have about as much use for 'professional' sports and those who play as I do for a boil on my left nut.

Sorry for those who followthis stuff but I think this country pays far to much attention to games I played in grade school now being played by boys who should probably go back to grade school and learn something.

The Cowdicks just spent in excess of $1 billion dollars to build a new stadium but the pot hole with concrete around it I take to work does not have funding to get repaired. Schools don't have computers for every student and up to date libraries but god for freaking bid the Cowdicks don't have the fanciest dam arena with a $650 million TV in the middle. Talk about compensating for a small dick. Jesus H christ. This country is FUBAR'ed.

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I can relate to that. I have mixed feelings about the stuff. Not sure why, but I don't like the NBA nearly as much as I did in the late 60s and 70s.

Either it's a function of greater maturity or the big bucks have made these guys jaded. Or who knows what. I do know they don't seem as admirable or as likable to me as they did back when.

I used to sit courtside, or nearly so in Seattle when I could sneak down to some empty season ticket seats. It's a bit of a rush to see those incredible specimens up close, moving with such grace and power.

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