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The Clk Man 10-26-2009 08:43 PM
Bull$hit, when it comes to people living or dieng, I think someone should step in. If the REAL people that work can't afford their medicine, who is going to do the work. :mad::mad::mad::mad:

Chas H 10-26-2009 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Craig (Post 2324917)
I do understand that the U.S. customers are subsidizing drug costs. How would you resolve this without putting the U.S. government in the pharmaceutical business?

Do you believe the U.S. government has the authority to control the prices that a private business charges for their products (in the U.S. and in the rest of the world)?

Can the U.S. government tell ford that they have to charge the same price for a car in the U.S. and in mexico?

Should the U.S. reduce or remove pattern protection for drugs that they judge to be overpriced (what affect would that have on R&D)?

It's not that simple.
I think you're making it complicated. Cars are not drugs, so let's not get into silly comparisons. The government has the authority to do just about anything, consider the Patriot Act if you will.
Right now the g'ment subsidizes the drug industry to the tune of about $50 billion a year. So I think the g'ment can easily apply price controls.
It's time we stopped supporting the rest of the world with drugs, military and who knows what else.

Pavka007 10-26-2009 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Skippy (Post 2324927)
I think the answer is to have a discussion with your doctor over which drugs are appropriate, including cost as one of the many considerations, then shop around, buy generic when possible, and get the best prices whenever you can.
Following that...

"A friend of a friend" have mention that you could approach the Pharma company direct and they have a way to subsidy drug sale to the public without good income...shall we say.... There is not any kind of verification of your income....it is very quick procedure... perhaps you should give it a try if you need drugs... As I wrote someone told me this :rolleyes:
Please don't quote me on it ;) I will deny any involvement in this information. Get in touch with local office, public relation office etc.

The Clk Man 10-26-2009 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Chas H (Post 2324934)
I think you're making it complicated. Cars are not drugs, so let's not get into silly comparisons. The government has the authority to do just about anything, consider the Patriot Act if you will.
Right now the g'ment subsidizes the drug industry to the tune of about $50 billion a year. So I think the g'ment can easily apply price controls.
It's time we stopped supporting the rest of the world with drugs, military and who knows what else.
Agreed Sir. :D

Brandon_SLC 10-26-2009 09:09 PM
One time last Spring I had to have a prescription filled that I normally get at Costco for around $7. Our Costco Pharmacy is not open on Sunday, other wise I would not have considered buying them somewhere else.

Since it was a drug that has been out for 40 years, I assumed it might be on Wal-Marts list of $4 drugs. No such luck, the price for a 30 day supply was $28 the first time, and when I went to refill it a month later it had gone up to $32. I declined, then went to Costco and had them transfer the Prescription instead. Costco had lowered their price to $5.80, so I was quite happy I had. Last I refilled it was only$5.18.

Craig 10-26-2009 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Chas H (Post 2324934)
The government has the authority to do just about anything....
That's probably the scariest thing I've heard all day. :eek:

I think you've answered my question, you want the government to apply price controls to individual drugs. I assume you also want the government to decide which drugs are developed and to subsidize their R&D?

Chas H 10-26-2009 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Craig (Post 2324961)
That's probably the scariest thing I've heard all day. :eek:

I think you've answered my question, you want the government to apply price controls to individual drugs. I assume you also want the government to decide which drugs are developed and to subsidize their R&D?
I want pay what the rest of the world pays for drugs.
You want to be ripped off, and subsidize the government run health care in other countries. Now that is scary.

Pavka007 10-26-2009 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Craig (Post 2324961)
I assume you also want the government to decide which drugs are developed and to subsidize their R&D?

Now THIS IS THE the scariest thing I've heard all day. If this ever happen Auschwitz will sound like country club....:mad:

Craig 10-26-2009 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Brandon_SLC (Post 2324953)
One time last Spring I had to have a prescription filled that I normally get at Costco for around $7. Our Costco Pharmacy is not open on Sunday, other wise I would not have considered buying them somewhere else.

Since it was a drug that has been out for 40 years, I assumed it might be on Wal-Marts list of $4 drugs. No such luck, the price for a 30 day supply was $28 the first time, and when I went to refill it a month later it had gone up to $32. I declined, then went to Costco and had them transfer the Prescription instead. Costco had lowered their price to $5.80, so I was quite happy I had. Last I refilled it was only$5.18.
I understand, my daughter has one prescription that retails for over $1200 for a 30 day supply, I only pay $40 after insurance. Luckily, I have good insurance coverage. However, I also realize that this drug would not exist if they had not been allowed to recover their development costs.

Craig 10-26-2009 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Chas H (Post 2324964)
I want pay what the rest of the world pays for drugs.
... and I want a pony, but that isn't going to make it happen.

I'm asking how you would accomplish these goals, what specific policy changes would you recommend to make this happen? How would you do this without interfering with the development of new drugs?

Sorry if I'm making it complicated.

Pavka007 10-26-2009 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Craig (Post 2324974)
... and I want a pony, but that isn't going to make it happen.

I'm asking how you would accomplish these goals, what specific policy changes would you recommend to make this happen? How would you do this without interfering with the development of new drugs?

Sorry if I'm making it complicated.
I don't think that you do making this complicated it is just that the people don't really know how much it cost to develop a single drug...
Let me share some info published by FDA.
"For the period between 1995 and 2000 the average drug development was 10 years and the average cost is $960 000 000."

THIS IS FOR ONE DRUG ONLY...... you do the math.. how many lines of drugs you have in your Costco, Samsclub etc.....

Chas H 10-26-2009 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Craig (Post 2324974)
... and I want a pony, but that isn't going to make it happen.

I'm asking how you would accomplish these goals, what specific policy changes would you recommend to make this happen? How would you do this without interfering with the development of new drugs?

Sorry if I'm making it complicated.
Why would making the drug companies charge a universal price affect R&D?
Why do you want to subsidize healthcare in other countries?

Pavka007 10-26-2009 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Chas H (Post 2324983)
Why would making the drug companies charge a universal price affect R&D?
Why do you want to subsidize healthcare in other countries?
I am sorry Chas but this time you are so wrong.
Do you think that the US is the ONLY country in the world that produces drugs???
I can tell you from experience that the rest of the world as you call them (the other countries) keep the US prices DOWN.

A clinical trial in Russia, Bulgaria, Romania, Ukraine cost about 70% cheaper than the same clinical trial in US, UK, France etc.

MD participating in one of the ex socialist countries working for a free laptop and about $250.00 a month... The MD in western world would not talk for less than several thousand PER patient. Not to mention that the patient in those Ex countries receiving about $100.00 a head for the WHOLE clinical trial. Here in the US..... they get paid for transport to and from the clinic, lost wages, attendance fee......How I know that?? I've worked for a Pharma company for 14 years as a Project Manager.

I really thing you should read a bit more on the subject...

Craig 10-26-2009 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Chas H (Post 2324983)
Why would making the drug companies charge a universal price affect R&D?
Really? You don't understand how fixing drug prices would affect their ability/willingness to develop new drugs (including drugs that may have very small markets)?

These are businesses (with stockholders), they are not going to expend resources developing a product unless they believe they will recover their costs and make a profit in an acceptable amount of time. If you want to control prices, you will have to address this fact.

Chas H 10-27-2009 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Pavka007 (Post 2325008)
I am sorry Chas but this time you are so wrong.
Do you think that the US is the ONLY country in the world that produces drugs???
I can tell you from experience that the rest of the world as you call them (the other countries) keep the US prices DOWN.

A clinical trial in Russia, Bulgaria, Romania, Ukraine cost about 70% cheaper than the same clinical trial in US, UK, France etc.

MD participating in one of the ex socialist countries working for a free laptop and about $250.00 a month... The MD in western world would not talk for less than several thousand PER patient. Not to mention that the patient in those Ex countries receiving about $100.00 a head for the WHOLE clinical trial. Here in the US..... they get paid for transport to and from the clinic, lost wages, attendance fee......How I know that?? I've worked for a Pharma company for 14 years as a Project Manager.

I really thing you should read a bit more on the subject...
I don't think the US is the only country producing drugs. And I never made such a claim.
Do you think drugs made in other countries sell in the country of manufacture for what they sell here?


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