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Old 11-10-2009, 09:39 AM
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spotted interesting cars during european trip

Just came back from a trip to southern france. I was amazed at the number of mercedes I saw, some models we dont have in NA. Almost all the MBs I saw were diesel, except the SLs.

Also saw some nice FIATs, interesting because they might be available in NA in the near future.

But I was most impressed with the Citroen C5, I even asked the owner if I couls take pictures. Finally a good looking Citroen, wish it was available in NA!
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Old 11-10-2009, 09:43 AM
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Europe gets all the cool cars! I have never seen so many Mercs in my life until I went there.
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Old 11-10-2009, 10:13 AM
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isn't there a reason why Citroen's are not for sale in North America? all I've ever heard about them is they ride like they are on glass due to the air bag suspension......
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isn't there a reason why Citroen's are not for sale in North America? all I've ever heard about them is they ride like they are on glass due to the air bag suspension......
They're crap. like most French and european cars in general. If they were to try and sell them in the US they'd have to compete against the Jappanese and yank's wont stand for that level of unreliability when you can get a Honota appliance for the same money.

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since I do not have any direct experience with Citroen, I am unqualified to comment as to reliability issues. however, I once had a friend with a Peugeot. it was an expensive car and it did have maintenance issues. nice looking car though.....

at least the French make some good tires, Michelin. and for whatever reason (and I have tried a LOT of different tires out on the mercs), a Mercedes seems to handle and track better with Michelin tires. I've got a set on the 300DT now and on slick, wet roads, they grab the road like the car is on rails.......
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Old 11-10-2009, 10:58 AM
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They're crap. like most French and european cars in general. If they were to try and sell them in the US they'd have to compete against the Jappanese and yank's wont stand for that level of unreliability when you can get a Honota appliance for the same money.

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True that Citroen's past reliability wasn't too great! But I've heard they've improved a lot and that black Citroen was simply beautiful!
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Old 11-10-2009, 11:15 AM
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Only buy a French car if you live in France.
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Old 11-10-2009, 11:21 AM
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They're crap. like most French and european cars in general. If they were to try and sell them in the US they'd have to compete against the Jappanese and yank's wont stand for that level of unreliability when you can get a Honota appliance for the same money.

- Peter.
WOW....somebody woke up at the wrong side of the bed

Perhaps you never experience a French diesel for example. The French diesels are one of the best, almost as good as MB, BMW and VW especially the small sizes like 1L, 1.2L engines etc. I see that you are originally from RSA you should know better that the best selling car in Africa was Peugeot 404/504. They still drive them around..... and some of them are almost 50 years old but still working as a taxi every day in Sahara.
Now don't tell me that the yank's as you call them wouldn't be driving this...in diesel version.





How about this little summer fun?





How about the new Citroen GT?



and this is NOT a prototype, they are making it for sale.
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Old 11-10-2009, 11:33 AM
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They're crap. like most French and european cars in general. If they were to try and sell them in the US they'd have to compete against the Jappanese and yank's wont stand for that level of unreliability when you can get a Honota appliance for the same money.

- Peter.
Hey Peter can a European join in with this one?

I agree that Citroens are in the whole not very good - I would never buy one - or a Renault (again) either! The interior of these cars can be very plasticy and tend to be the first part of the car that falls apart after the suspension springs... As far as I'm concerned the only good thing about a Citroen is the hydraulic suspension that is not fitted on all of their cars - when it is in good order it is truely fabulous.

If you want an expert's opinion on European cars try

www.honestjohn.co.uk

Reliabilty indications are also given via this web site
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WOW....somebody woke up at the wrong side of the bed

Perhaps you never experience a French diesel for example. The French diesels are one of the best, almost as good as MB, BMW and VW especially the small sizes like 1L, 1.2L engines etc. I see that you are originally from RSA you should know better that the best selling car in Africa was Peugeot 404/504. They still drive them around..... and some of them are almost 50 years old but still working as a taxi every day in Sahara.
Having lived in Africa, I must say you are gravely underestimating the ability of African mechanics to keep a car running.
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Old 11-10-2009, 12:11 PM
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Nice, I would still rather just buy a Mercedes if I lived in Europe. Probably a nice C220CDI wagon with a manual.
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The day Citroen returns to the US market is the day I purchase my first new car. Depreciation be damned!
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I see that you are originally from RSA you should know better that the best selling car in Africa was Peugeot 404/504.
My family were addicted to them. We had many when I was a youth. They were fairly comfortable, unreliable pieces of crap. You think Mercedes have cooling issues? You've never had the dubious fortune of driving around africa in a car that is incapable of setting out from one town and arriving in another without overheating inbetween. We used to take several two liter coke bottels with us in our 404 wagon when we went on vacation and pull off to the side of the road every few hours. Wait for the temperature to decline enough that we could open the radiator without getting scalded and then empty the bottles into it. Got so bad that in the end one of my uncles took pity on us and lent us his 404 sedan one xmas. Wound up overheating a couple of hours from home. We got back with all four of us crammed into another uncles Mazda 323. Had a cousin with a 504 wagon. They were driving up from Cape Town to Durban on xmas. They set off in the 504 but arrived in a Mercedes Benz 190E. The Peugeot had overheated crossing the Karoo (desert) so they had to go back home and borrow the father in laws Mercedes. This was just in our family and was quite apart from the myriad other Peugeot's we saw along the roadsides in similar states of distress. And that's quite apart from watching cars literally fall apart from rust before our very eyes. I recall a large chunk of a 505's rocker panel simply falling off one day when the owner closed the door. And this car didn't even look that bad. Renaluts were even worse. Citroen's were few and far between, amazingly even less robust than Peugeots.

Sorry just never understood the attraction. There are vastly better vechcles out there. They tend to come from a country to the east of France and I don't have the time to muck about with french crud again.

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Old 11-10-2009, 03:42 PM
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They have the C class 350 wagon that we will never see,,,, beautiful car.
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