Got any links documenting these "John Birchers calling Patti a stooge and dim-witted pawn of Ho"?

Whatever dude. All evidence is crammed into your belief system. FDR died before war's end, you might recall. I can't say for certain what his plans were any more than you can. I've read of reports from associates of his who said he felt injustice had been perpetrated in Indochina for some time.

But don't mind me. Go back to what you were doing.

LOL, A fine example of the application of Alinsky rule #4. Good show!!!

What?! Could you be a little more vague please? Links to follow shortly. And then I'm going to wonder why in the hell I'm doing research for a thankless brick thrower like our own Billybob.

Yeppers, it kinda does.

It wouldn't be the first time.

The quotes are yours. I don't keep a well documented record of everything I've ever read close at hand so I can stay on your good side.

Here's a piece by William F. Jasper, who from what I can gather, is/was a prominent member of the JBS:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1021097/posts

Here's a bit (I guess) verifying his association with the JBS:

http://www.jbs.org/index.php/component/myblog/William-F.-Jasper-Speech-January-23-2009-4393.html

Excerpt from the first link:

A corollary of this myth is that North Vietnamese dictator Ho Chi Minh was an ardent nationalist and only accepted Soviet and Communist Chinese assistance because the United States refused to help him fight the French colonialists.

This is the thesis propounded by, among others, Archimedes Patti, who as a young officer in the OSS (forerunner to the CIA) in the 1940s, was a big booster of Ho. Major Patti remained an ardent fan of "Uncle Ho" decades later. When PBS released its multi-million-dollar, taxpayer-funded propaganda monstrosity entitled Vietnam, A Television History in 1984, Archimedes Patti was one of the "stars" of the production. Patti stated: "Ho Chi Minh was on a silver platter in 1945. We had him. He was leaning not towards the Soviet Union; at the time he told me that the USSR could not assist him, because they just won a war only by dint of real heroism, and they were in no position to help anyone. So really, we had Ho Chi Minh, we had the Viet Minh, we had the Indochina question in our hand."

It was the same pro-Communist disinformation that Patti and other old OSS hands had been retailing for years. The fact is that by 1945, Ho Chi Minh (the best known alias of the man born as Nguyen tat Thanh, in 1890) had already been a committed Communist for two and a half decades. In 1920, he was a founding member of the French Communist Party. In 1922, he was off to Moscow. In 1924, his Kremlin masters sent him to China as translator and assistant to Mikhail Borodin, the Soviets' top agent in the Far East. In China, Ho recruited Vietnamese youth for training under Soviet instructors at the Whampoa Military Academy. Over the next 20 years, Ho helped spread the Communist revolution throughout Asia, traveling to Burma, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Macau, Bangkok, and elsewhere. Authorities throughout the region knew of Ho's criminal and subversive record.

During World War II, Ho and his Communist superiors began fabricating the myth that Ho was a great nationalist ally of the Americans against the Japanese. There is no evidence that he fought the Japanese at all, but abundant evidence that he collaborated with the Japanese, selling out genuine Vietnamese nationalists to the Japanese and the French for gold. This served not only to enrich his coffers but also to eliminate the competition. The American OSS showered him with money, arms, food, equipment, and information even though the agency knew he would use it against the French, our WWII allies.

The OSS, like the CIA which followed, was filled with dupes, leftists, socialists, and even Communists, and Ho was to their liking. With OSS hands like General Philip Gallagher, Colonel Edward Lansdale, George Sheldon, Major Archimedes Patti, and Major William Stevens helping him from one side, and Stalin helping from the other, Ho was in a very strong position to take on the French, who were weakened from the war and were undermined at every turn by the same pro-Communist forces in our State Department and the OSS who were at that very time preparing China for turnover to Mao Zedong.

Oh well. S'funny how some fellers feel emboldened to issue insults and derogatory remarks right and left on these web forums, remarks they would be very unlikely to have the stones to pop out with if dealing with their adversary in person.

My rule of thumb is to try to not type anything I wouldn't have the stones to say face to face.

You should try following your own rules....

linkee please

I've treated you plenty well. Never accused you of murder or treason.

And don't change the subject. Read the links I provided for the good Mr. Billybob and then s'plain to me how I was following Alinsky's rules. Else'n I'm going to lose respect for you.

Oh. Just did a search on your rule #4. Alinsky is not someone I've paid much attention to. Oh well, more static in lieu of substance from my Texarkana buddy.

Thanks for the clarification and the links! Rather than “John Birchers calling Patti a stooge and a dimwitted pawn of Ho’s”, a link to a single writer associated with the JBS article referring to Patti as big booster/ ardent fan/ "stars"/ dupes, leftists, socialists, and even Communists while offering his annotated counter argument to Patti’s claims. We all see what we want to see every reader will come to their own conclusion as to whether they see the same as you do.

It is very interesting to note that Jasper could almost be imagined to be speaking directly to you on virtually every point! I can see why you’ve taken such offence!

You need another refresher course in reading comprehension.






Oh, and I'm nowhere near Texarkana.......





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Huh? Jasper a single writer associated with the JBS? No, he's got some serious clout there:

Mr. William F. Jasper joined the staff of The John Birch Society in 1976 as a researcher and soon became a contributing editor to the Society's magazines, American Opinion and The Review of the News. When those publications merged in 1985 to become THE NEW AMERICAN, Mr. Jasper continued to serve as a writer and contributing editor until 1990, when he was promoted to the position of Senior Editor.

Over the past three decades, William Jasper has researched and written extensively on foreign and domestic politics, national security, education, immigration, constitutional issues, the culture war, and most notably, the United Nations. His renown as an investigative journalist and insightful analyst on a wide array of topics has made William Jasper a frequent and highly sought guest on many radio and television programs.

This from the second link above.

My paraphrase was not too far off in spirit. Jasper is a lunatic extremist. He makes it clear that he believes that France was the rightful ruler of Vietnam around the end of WW2. France was to Vietnam much as Britain was to the American colonies in the late 18th century with one big exception. The Brits founded and peopled much of the American colonies whereas France just waltzed in and exploited Vietnam.

I'm glad you and Japser found each other. You should be grateful for my help.

My heartfelt apologies.

You got nothing. You thought I had no backup on the JBS and Patti bit and that Billybob had done b-slapped me. And now you evade the point.

And here I thought you were going to tearfully apologize, saying that I've been right about everything all along and your eyes have just now been opened.

Dude, put down the doobie and read it again.

I was congratulating BillyBob on his perfect application of rule 4 on you. The left's own tactics being used against them..... Get it now ???


Besides, you seem to be more of a rule 5 type of guy.....


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I don't dispute his clout, he might be John Birch incarnate but he's still one man rather than the plural "Bircher's" you've claimed! He confronts and challenges Patti's positions and assertions he doesn't attack him personally, he doesn’t call him dim-witted. According to the dictionary there is a decided difference between a stooge “one who willingly plays a subordinate or compliant role to a principal" and a dupe “one that is unknowingly easily deceived or cheated

"He makes it clear that he believes that France was the rightful ruler of Vietnam around the end of WW2."

You find support for this assertion within the article you’ve provided?

“France was to Vietnam much as Britain was to the American colonies in the late 18th century with one big exception. The Brits founded and peopled much of the American colonies whereas France just waltzed in and exploited Vietnam.”

I can’t even imagine your point with this statement. Perhaps if France in the late 19th century 1860’s had depopulated the terrain of the indigenous population as had early Americans in the 17th and 18th centuries then they would have not “just waltzed in and exploited”? I would have though that someone of your delicate sensibilities would be championing the mere exploitation of Indochina over the extermination of native America?