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aklim · #76 01-24-2010, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

The fact that GM and others were paying more for employee health care than competing firms has been known for some time now, whether or not the average guy on the street worried too much about it. Those who try to lure multinational firms to invest in manf. plants in our nation have been aware of the limitations of our employer-rich uncle/nanny arrangement also.

Oh? Care to explain that one? They had bad contracts that paid for workers AFTER they were no longer working. Honda and Toyota are drawing from he same pool of workers and by some miracle, the car costs $2000 less to make at a Jap plant than a GM plant. Sorry, you are a moron and signed all kinds of stupid contracts in your heyday. Now, as you would say, it has come to roost. Also your product quality is in the crapper, IOW you have a poor business model. In spite of that, you think you should survive? Really?

cmac2012 · #77 01-24-2010, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

As for the Rrs being 'whatever it is, I'm against it.' , you have been listening to too much democrat spin. The Rrs have made many proposals to reform HC within the free enterprise system; i.e. Not government-run.

That you are ignorant of their attempts shows that either they have done a poor job of making their case, or you rely on the media to keep you informed.

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

What proposals have Rrs made for health care reform? Tort reform and selling policies across state lines?

Do you not have an answer? If I've been listening to "too much democrat spin," I'm hoping the flip side of that is that you have been getting the straight poop.

So tell me, what breakthroughs in health care have Republicans proposed?

aklim · #78 01-25-2010, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

Do you not have an answer? If I've been listening to "too much democrat spin," I'm hoping the flip side of that is that you have been getting the straight poop.

So tell me, what breakthroughs in health care have Republicans proposed?

Maybe, just maybe, the current system isn't the greatest but how is govt run healthcare any better? Besides in theory? We certainly can't trust them so why are we allowing the druggie the keys to the pharmacy?

Isn't that like saying "If you don't like me to shoot you in the back of your head, find me another part of your head to shoot you in"?

cmac2012 · #79 01-25-2010, 05:05 AM

It never was going to be "govt. run health care" in the US. This is thinking by cliché. If thinking is the word. No one else but govt. is powerful enough to provide parameters when they are needed. Parameters to retain the benefits of private activity while protecting the interests of the public.

aklim · #80 01-25-2010, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

It never was going to be "govt. run health care" in the US. This is thinking by cliché. If thinking is the word.

No one else but govt. is powerful enough to provide parameters when they are needed. Parameters to retain the benefits of private activity while protecting the interests of the public.

How so? Wasn't there going to be a 1 trillion dollar tab or am I mistaken about that one? For a trillion dollars, they better be running it and not just doling out checks because we have seen how good they were in the billion dollar dept with TARP.

Again, you make it sound so good. IF it could be as good as you say, I'd be on it too. After all, who doesn't want to save money? While everything the proponents say is very good, what they don't tell you is the history of the jerks running it. The fact that we have a national debt for all these years should tell you something. We have had Dem majority, Rep majority, Dem Prez, Rep Prez and all the other silly combination and yet the debt is still there. This is all in spite of the tricks they play with money where they shuffle from this pool to that and what not. Now, what you are suggesting is that we hire a pedophile who has been busted many times and put him in charge of the day care center. Yes, he might have the managerial skills but can we trust him?

tonkovich · #81 01-28-2010, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Billybob

The Court held that 2 U.S.C. Section 441a, which prohibits all corporate political spending, is unconstitutional. Foreign nationals, specifically defined to include foreign corporations, are prohibiting from making "a contribution or donation of money or ather thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State or local election" under 2 U.S.C. Section 441e, which was not at issue in the case. Foreign corporations are also prohibited, under 2 U.S.C. 441e, from making any contribution or donation to any committee of any political party, and they prohibited from making any "expenditure, independent expenditure, or disbursement for an electioneering communication... ."

This is either blithering ignorance of the law, or demogoguery of the worst kind.
— Bradley A. Smith is Josiah H. Blackmore II/Shirley M. Nault Designated Professor of Law at Capital University Law School

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZTVkODZiM2M0ODEzOGQ3MTMwYzgzYjNmODBiMzQzZjk=

yes, the national review is certainly a good source. they were quite suitable for the cia; that's why they helped fund it for years.

oh, and by the way, there is no left in america; at least not in any significant number.

Billybob · #82 01-28-2010, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by tonkovich

yes, the national review is certainly a good source. they were quite suitable for the cia; that's why they helped fund it for years.

oh, and by the way, there is no left in america; at least not in any significant number.

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Originally Posted by tonkovich

surely you can come up with a better response than attacking the messenger, no?

or perhaps you will now attack someone else?

Have you no shame or no memory?

cmac2012 · #83 01-28-2010, 02:11 AM

be-deep-be-be-de-be-deep-deep . . .

**urgent message to all on the left:

Retreat, I repeat, retreat. Significant blows and hull breeches have been inflicted on our agenda. I repeat, retreat! We need time to heal our wounds until we can make another brave charge holding the people's banner aloft. I beg you, in the name of Mao, retreat!!**

aklim · #84 01-28-2010, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

be-deep-be-be-de-be-deep-deep . . .

**urgent message to all on the left:

Retreat, I repeat, retreat. Significant blows and hull breeches have been inflicted on our agenda. I repeat, retreat! We need time to heal our wounds until we can make another brave charge holding the people's banner aloft. I beg you, in the name of Mao, retreat!!**

I would disagree with you on 2 points though. First, I don't think it will affect you or I much. It might have small effect on the way, not the amount, the way the corporations give money, buy votes, etc, etc. So yes, it is a blow to the left in the ideology department. I don't think that it affects anything in real life.

Second. If you want to implore, do it in the name of Marx and Engel.

tonkovich · #85 01-28-2010, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Billybob

Have you no shame or no memory?

national review = c.i.a. mouthpiece, bought and paid for (fact)

there is no left in the u.s.a. (fact)

Billybob · #86 01-28-2010, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tonkovich

national review = c.i.a. mouthpiece, bought and paid for (fact)

there is no left in the u.s.a. (fact)

With regard to the first, you obviously have some evidence of the "fact" as you present it, don't you?

With regard to the second, I can still hope you're correct can't I?

aklim · #87 01-28-2010, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Billybob

With regard to the second, I can still hope your correct can't I?

"you're", not "your".

Also, if he is correct, it could be a problem since there would be nobody to keep the other side in check. Take away the predators and the prey might just have a population explosion.